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Author Topic: Phantom Menace DVD Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-21-2001 05:43 PM                        Has anyone clicked on the overhyped and much balleyhooed web link that is available when you stick Disc 2 into a DVD-ROM drive? Is it all you hoped it would be? I have a Mac and the DVD-ROM features are only designed to work in a PC, so I can't click on the web link! I suck.  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 03-07-2011 03:00 AM                 It has been 3423 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 03-07-2011 03:00 AM                    quote: DTS woulda been better For the record, I don't think any of the Star Wars films has even been released on DVD with a DTS track. Wonder if any overseas version might have it?  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-07-2011 07:59 PM                        Holy necropost, Batman! I'd just like to say that the video quality on this DVD has lots of over-sharpening, if I recall. Lots of halos and whatnot. I hate that. I hate DVD. DVD can go to hell.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 03-07-2011 08:31 PM                     Agreed: this DVD image does look pretty crappy by today's standards. Anyone up for a debate on why the LaserDisc of Episode I is still better? AJG  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 03-07-2011 09:22 PM                        3-D anyone? THE PHANTOM MENACE will be rereleased next February in theatres in GLORIOUS 3-D How exciting! In all seriousness, I love 3-D but only if it was done well such as AVATAR. Although I am curious how Lucas will pull it off converting the film to 3-D, I do not think I will waste my time and money seeing a movie I Did not enjoy in the first place. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-07-2011 11:48 PM                        I wonder how long before we start seeing interviews with Lucas where he says "I always envisioned these films in 3-D from the very beginning; so they are finally going to look the way I first envisioned them." Mark my words, he will say this.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 03-08-2011 12:11 AM                     I love it.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-08-2011 09:42 AM                     quote: Tom Petrov For the record, I don't think any of the Star Wars films has even been released on DVD with a DTS track. The DVDs have all been Dolby Digital. However, chances are pretty strong the Blu-ray box sets scheduled for release on Sept. 27 will have DTS-HD Master Audio (which also includes a backward compatible lossy DTS "core"). Nearly all of the Blu-ray releases from Fox have used DTS-HD Master Audio for the primary audio track. Some have even used DTS for all the supplemental tracks. Lately all the major studios in Hollywood and even quite a few independents have been using DTS-HD considerably more than Dolby TrueHD or LPCM 5.1. Some studios are using DTS-HD Master Audio exclusively, at least for the primary audio track. I'm not sure what the reasons are for this trend, which seems very opposite of what we saw on DVD (where Dolby overwhelmingly dominated). The lossless codecs from DTS and Dolby deliver seemingly equal quality levels. Other factors must be involved. Maybe some studios like the embedded backward compatible lossy core feature with DTS-HD; no need to carry a hidden yet still separate Dolby Digital track like what has to be done with Dolby TrueHD. I'm a little foggy on how the licensing works for mass produced titles like major Hollywood movies. It could be a software situation where price and convenience is being compared. The Dolby Media Producer Suite costs $3995 and is a product that runs only on Mac OSX 10.4.2 or later. The DTS-HD Master Audio suite costs $1495 and runs on WindowsXP, Windows 7 and Mac OSX 10.4 or later. The DTS site says "32-bit" which could be a problem for a lot of new Win7 machines. DTS has version 2.6 of their suite due for release soon. That one adds Blu-ray 3D support and dramatic performance increases (maybe that means it has been recompiled for 64-bit operation). The dominance of DTS-HD on Blu-ray could be to blame on the fanboy thing. I know Sony ran some informal polls over a year ago when they were thinking about changing audio formats on Blu-ray releases (they were doing LPCM 5.1 and Dolby TrueHD). DTS won those polls, so now most Sony Blu-ray releases are DTS-HD. In the end it will all come down to what George Lucas wants. If he insists Dolby TrueHD be used on the new Star Wars Blu-ray discs then they will be Dolby regardless of Fox' standard support of DTS. If the audio format doesn't matter that much to Lucas then the Blu-ray version of the Star Wars saga will default to DTS.  |  IP: Logged Greg Anderson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 766 From: Ogden Valley, Utah Registered: Nov 1999 posted 03-08-2011 11:11 AM                        It seems like Lucasfilm and Dolby have had a very good relationship since, well, forever.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-08-2011 11:41 AM                     Warner Brothers has had a long relationship with Dolby as well. WB is the only major Hollywood studio where Dolby Digital has been used on all of the studio's movie releases featuring digital surround sound. The first Dolby Digital release, Batman Returns was a Warner Bros. film. All the other majors had either brief or long term stints where CDS, DTS or SDDS was used exclusively on film prints. Yet look at what Warner Bros. has been doing lately. Many of their newest Blu-ray releases use DTS-HD Master Audio, including this year's Best Sound and Best Sound Editing Oscar winner, Inception. Dolby TrueHD definitely has a good shot of being used on those new Star Wars Blu-ray discs. One thing also working in DTS' favor: George Lucas and Steven Spielberg have been friends for decades and Spielberg has a stake in DTS.  |  IP: Logged Greg Anderson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 766 From: Ogden Valley, Utah Registered: Nov 1999 posted 03-08-2011 01:25 PM                        Spielberg also had a long-standing, good relationship with Universal after that studio stabbed Lucas in the back with their handling of American Graffiti and their refusal to do Star Wars. Spielberg's relationship with Hollywood and his general way of doing business has always been far different from Lucas' relationship with Hollywood and general way of doing business. So, we'll see.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-08-2011 01:35 PM                     quote: Mike Blakesley Mark my words, he will say this. Consider them so marked and agreed on.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-08-2011 04:09 PM                        quote: Bobby Henderson The Dolby Media Producer Suite costs $3995 and is a product that runs only on Mac OSX 10.4.2 or later. The DTS-HD Master Audio suite costs $1495 and runs on WindowsXP, Windows 7 and Mac OSX 10.4 or later. Too bad there is no application that I know of on either Windows or Mac OS X that allows you to import either a Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HDMA audio track into a Blu-ray project. You are stuck with Dolby Digital or, if I'm not mistaken, LPCM stereo. But the DTS suite is CRAZY EASY to use and the Dolby suite is a huge pain in the ass.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-08-2011 07:21 PM                     Another factor to consider is all the "enterprise level" Blu-ray authoring applications (Sony Blu-print, Sony Blu-code, Sonic Scenarist, etc) are Windows-only applications. They have no Mac OSX counterpart. Every Hollywood studio movie distributed on Blu-ray had to have its Blu-ray discs authored on a nasty PC! Maybe Dolby needs to talk to its user base (or see what DTS is doing right with that suite) to make some product improvements and maybe consider getting a Windows version put together. Or maybe Steve Jobs just needs to drop his anti-Blu-ray stance and start building Mac Pro towers and certain Mac Books with Blu-ray burners. With none of the heavy hitters in Blu-ray authoring supporting the Mac platform that would leave a wide open opportunity for Apple to build enterprise level Blu-ray authoring capability into a new version of Final Cut Studio. Seems like a good idea to me, but what the hell do I know? quote: Joe Redifer Too bad there is no application that I know of on either Windows or Mac OS X that allows you to import either a Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HDMA audio track into a Blu-ray project. The capability isn't there at all with Adobe's Production Studio applications. Linear PCM and Dolby Digital is all you get. Gotta go to third party applications if you want DTS, DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD. I don't understand why that capability isn't there other than it perhaps being a licensing issue for the particular encode/decode scheme. If the NLE application was able to drop the track into the time line, maybe merge it with other audio elements and then re-encode then there wouldn't be as much need for the third party application.  |  IP: Logged

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