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Tom Petrov
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posted 03-08-2011 08:06 PM

quote: Greg Anderson
It seems like Lucasfilm and Dolby have had a very good relationship since, well, forever.

Yes you are right. Indiana Jones 4 was a True-HD title and that was Lucasfilm and a Speilberg movie. But it is more a Paramount thing too. I personally would like to see discs have both in some circumstances.

One thing we know for sure is that the new Star Wars Blu-rays will be THX Certified.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 03-08-2011 09:19 PM

That Indy Blu-ray was released in October of 2008, just as this whole DTS-HD trend was getting started. This was around the time Sony was looking to make its switch on Blu-ray audio formats.

Lately Paramount has been releasing most of its movies on Blu-ray with DTS-HD Master Audio.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 03-08-2011 09:24 PM

Bobby, the encoding part is easy (at least with DTS), it's just that no program will accept .dtshd files to import for authoring Blu-rays. NLE programs have nothing to do with it.

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Tom Petrov
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posted 03-08-2011 10:22 PM

quote: Aaron Garman
Anyone up for a debate on why the LaserDisc of Episode I is still better?

I think I will take you up on this debate. The laserdisc I have is the best sounding I have heard in a long time. As for picture, it is pretty damn good.

But to beat it in picture, I think you would need the CLD-99

Here is a good debate
Phantom LD vs DVD

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 03-09-2011 01:25 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
Bobby, the encoding part is easy (at least with DTS), it's just that no program will accept .dtshd files to import for authoring Blu-rays. NLE programs have nothing to do with it.

In the case of Adobe Encore (CS4 & CS5), it's limited to importing DTS .dts & .cpt files. It can't bring in DTS-HD files -at least not in a way that is compliant with Blu-ray authoring specs. There's an import/pass-through trick that can sort of do it, but it isn't going to be reliable. Encore also won't let you bring in Linear PCM WAV files with more than 2 channels. That sucks.

More affordable "pro-sumer" programs like DVD Studio Pro, Adobe Encore, etc. should allow the user to at least "place" the audio files into the project regardless of whether you can hear them play or not in the disc authoring program.

I don't know what all Adobe has planned for "CS6," but right now if you want to use DTS-HD Master Audio in a Blu-ray project you have to use ridiculously expensive authoring programs to do it.

Sonic Scenarist, Sony Blu-code and Sony Blu-print support DTS-HD Master Audio. I don't know exactly how much those programs cost, but I do know they're ridiculously expensive. One web search on Scenarist BD suggested a price of $35,000.
[Eek!]

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Joe Redifer
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posted 03-09-2011 02:09 PM

That's just ridiculous.

DVD Studio Pro allows the placement of CPT files, but you can't hear them unless you have a sound system connected digitally (via SPDIF out). Of course, it will let you author HD-DVDs but it will have nothing to do with Blu-ray. We'll see what happens when Final Cut Studio 4 is announced soon, but I expect not to be impressed.

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Aaron Garman
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posted 03-09-2011 03:26 PM

quote: Tom Petrov
But to beat it in picture, I think you would need the CLD-99

That's a bit misleading. Sure, the CLD-99 was a great player, but many would argue a CLD-97 would be better. Also, both high end Japanese MUSE players (the X9 and X0) would probably be better than the 99 on most accounts.

YMMV depending on your setup too: flat panel, analog tube, CRT front projector? Scaler, line doubler?

Either way, I always found the image of the LD more pleasing than the DVD, regardless of the unit I used to play it back.

Of course the sound hands down wins.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 03-09-2011 03:36 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
We'll see what happens when Final Cut Studio 4 is announced soon, but I expect not to be impressed.

It's probably going to be at least another 6 months before the next cycle of Adobe Creative Suite upgrades takes place. I'm probably going to buy a new computer well before then and be stuck upgrading my personal license to CS5 (I'm still using 32-bit CS3 at home) and then have to spend even more upgrading to CS6!

Adobe has stuck close to an 18 month cycle lately. The CS5 generation of apps will be 1 year old in April. So I guess CS6 will arrive in October.

Honestly, I don't understand why Adobe hasn't done something to offer at least some support for DTS-HD as well as Dolby TrueHD and multichannel Linear PCM already. They seem to be going to considerable effort on supporting various video formats from professional level video cameras. They're doing more and more to support native Red One camera footage and added a "Red MysteriumX" plug in. They want to support the 4K capability of those cameras.

And that's all fine and good. But if they're going to go that far on the video capability Adobe needs to go equally far on the audio end of things. No one is going to edit a project consisting of 4K Red footage on an Adobe setup and merely be satisfied with lossy Dolby Digital or DTS audio as the finished soundtrack. They're going to insist on having multichannel LPCM for digital cinema use or having at least some DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD support for authoring to Blu-ray.

quote: Aaron Garman
Of course the sound hands down wins.

Getting back on topic, "the sound hands down wins"? I don't understand. Are you saying the Laserdisc audio of The Phantom Menace is better than its DVD counterpart?

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Joe Redifer
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posted 03-09-2011 04:08 PM

That's what he's saying. Evidently the LD uses the untouched theatrical mix whereas the DVD was remixed to take anything that was considered good out. But this kind of talk is very typical from the LD fanbase. I will do an A-B comparison on my system in a few days and report the results. Too bad you won't be in town this weekend otherwise I'd invite you to the comparison. I won't be viewing the entire movie, just certain scenes. I will be viewing them loudly. We'll see which one makes the neighbors put up a "FOR SALE" sign first.

quote: Bobby Henderson
Honestly, I don't understand why Adobe hasn't done something to offer at least some support for DTS-HD as well as Dolby TrueHD and multichannel Linear PCM already.

Agreed. I think that it's funny that if you want to use Dolby TrueHD, you need to encode it on a Mac and then go over to Windows to find an authoring program that will let you use it.

quote: Aaron
Sure, the CLD-99 was a great player, but many would argue a CLD-97 would be blah blah blah

The signal exists as composite on the disc itself. It will look shitty no matter what you use. You can only do so much to clean it up. Removing artifacts also means removing detail.

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Tom Petrov
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posted 03-09-2011 04:28 PM

quote: Aaron Garman
That's a bit misleading. Sure, the CLD-99 was a great player, but many would argue a CLD-97 would be better. Also, both high end Japanese MUSE players (the X9 and X0) would probably be better than the 99 on most accounts.

Yeah I have heard that argument many times. I guess I mention CLD99 because they were built later so I think you get a machine that is less aged.

Also, the 99 has an AC-3 out whereas the ClD97 you would need to modify it.

As for line doubles, if you can give me as much info if I should get one or what, that would be much appreciated.

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I always found the image of the LD more pleasing than the DVD,

I agree with, however not all Laserdiscs look better. I have found than the THX discs are usually superior to the non THX LDs and dvds.

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Joe Redifer
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posted 03-09-2011 07:27 PM

Dude you can't take advantage of THX LaserDiscs or DVDs without a THX certified TV. Such TVs have a THX button on the remote that you must engage. It sets the color, contrast, tint, sharpness, brightness and contrast to PERFECTLY match exactly what was seen by the camera lens (the two become indistinguishable). If you're not using a THX TV, then you are getting shitty video. If you are using a THX TV, you are getting better picture quality than the human eye can perceive. It is THX, after all.

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Aaron Garman
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posted 03-09-2011 08:27 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
The signal exists as composite on the disc itself. It will look shitty no matter what you use. You can only do so much to clean it up. Removing artifacts also means removing detail.

Shitty is relative. [Wink]

Sure, it's not completely clean, pristine, and digital but for what it is, it isn't the worst thing in the world. It beats the hell out of VHS.

The argument between the 97 and the 99 had to do with how the 99 did digital noise reduction. Apparently, on certain equipment, the 97 will give you a better image, whereas the 99 would on others. I have a CLD-79 so I couldn't tell you first hand.

Mcintosh made a 97 clone that had AC3 and apparently a nicer analog audio section.

Bobby, sorry for not clarifying. Joe, I can't wait to see your results. I've tried the test on my system, and even with matching volume levels, I still felt the LaserDisc mix was, I guess, more aggressive and fun?

Tom, for line doublers, scaling, etc. I recommend you start here.

Caution though, the pursuit of this hobby will make your head spin. Sure, it's fun, but it can get obsessive and expensive. [Eek!]

Joe, don't forget that one should always go to Home Depot first and buy the THX button for your listening room. Once installed and pressed, it will make your room sound like the rooms at Skywalker Sound.

AJG

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Tom Petrov
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posted 03-09-2011 08:46 PM

quote: Joe Redifer
using a THX TV

Joe-no need to tell me. The water coming out of my taps is THX approved.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 03-09-2011 10:30 PM

You guys are forgetting the most important thing: THX Certified Popcorn. No movie watching experience is complete without it.

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Aaron Garman
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posted 03-09-2011 11:12 PM

With THX certified "butter flavored" topping. [puke]

AJG

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