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Author Topic: No SE for TITANIC -- WTF? Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 09-12-2003 06:43 PM                     I already have a copy of the regular "Titanic" release, but will buy again if they come out with an anamorphic enhanced version. A real "SE" of it would be a 2 or 3 disc set. While mentioning movies by James Cameron, we still lack 16x9 enhanced versions of "The Abyss" and "True Lies." The DTS thing would be nice plus for any of those titles, but mainly if it is in the 1509kb/s "full" bitrate that nearly no DVD authoring places bother to use anymore. The 754kb/s version is still a bit better than DD at 448kb/s, but not by much. DVDs in DTS 1509 typically sound better (discs like "Dances With Wolves," "Price of Egypt" or even "Twister").  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 09-13-2003 06:36 PM                        Manny, sometimes, if you are lucky and the DVD authors don't totally hate you, you can still use the next chapter button (pictured) to skip scenes which won't allow the menu button. So why are there "DVDs" and "Disney DVDs"? The only difference I have noticed is that "Disney DVDs" come in the white fluffy boxes for kids (kids suck, by the way) and there are tons of trailers that play BEFORE the menu. "Disney DVDs" are created by morons.  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 07-15-2005 05:12 PM                 It has been 670 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Andy Summers Master Film Handler Posts: 397 From: Bournemouth Dorset United kingdom Registered: Jun 2005 posted 07-15-2005 05:12 PM                 The RMS TITANIC sets sale for the DVD special edition release this September,2005 Bugger me, Ice-burg right ahead…. I wonder if it will come with DTS as well…  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 07-23-2005 05:06 PM                        Actually, there is a 'special edition' of sorts of Titanic recently out on DVD - see here. But James Cameron being on sabbatical or not knowing who to screw in Hollywood wasn't a problem. This 1943 version was, like its better known 1997 remake, a major blockbuster... but one made by the Nazis to point out the evils of western capitalism. As anyone who has seen any Nazi 'entertainment' films can guess, the script is a tad heavy-handed to put it mildly. The story is framed around Ismay and Astor (Jewish stereotypes which leave little to the imagination) banking everything on the Titanic breaking the speed record and bribing the captain to go full speed ahead through the ice field. The first officer is a stiff-necked German who tries to seduce Astor's girlfriend in an attempt to get her to get him to order the ship slowed down. He, in effect, is the Leonardo DiCaprio character. Other than that, there are some striking similarites with the Cameron film. The nicking the jewels/locked in the brig/rescued by the heroine sub-plot is lifted almost unchanged, as is the song and dance scene below decks (though the steerage class passengers are predominately Scandinavian rather than Irish in this version). The passengers freezing in the water also suggests to me that Cameron must have seen this version. In this case the sinking is obviously done with scaled models and stop-motion, but it's more convincing than a lot of other '40s stuff I've seen. There are two extras on this DVD: a 1912 advertising film about the Titanic made by the White Star Line and a newsreel rushed out shortly after the sinking, most of which is faked or misattributed footage (full info on Titanic footage faking can be found in this book), but interesting nonetheless.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-23-2005 06:34 PM                     The new DVD releases of "Titanic" will hit Region 1 store shelves on October 25. There is some controversy/confusion going on about the upcoming DVDs and the number of discs and features that will be included on the Special Edition and Deluxe Collector's Edition versions. It mainly involves this mix of Region 1 and Region 2 artwork from Paramount. It appears the "Special Edition" R1 release will have 3 discs. The Region 2 version has 2 discs. The Region 2 Deluxe Collectors Edition release is also shown -which features 4 discs. Naturally, the concern is Region 1 customers may have access to fewer extras than what the R2 releases will have. Some are worried this 3 disc version may be the only release. Previous annoucements indicated there would be 2-disc and 4-disc versions of this new "Titanic" release. Further adding to the confusion, some are saying R1 will have 2-disc and 3-disc releases. The Digital Bits' website says there's a possibility we haven't seen the Deluxe Collectors Edition artwork for Region 1 yet -implying the 3-disc version may be the entry level release and not the huge "ultimate" release. At any rate, Paramount really needs to deal with this confusion. There is a fair amount of anger brewing among fans of the film in the United States who feel the R1 offerings may be lesser than the DCE 4-disc version to be sold in Europe. Oh, BTW, it doesn't appear any of these new "Titanic" DVDs will have DTS at all. However, the mix has been updated to take advantage of Dolby Digital Surround EX 5.1. That's right, I said 5.1. DD-EX is a 5.1 format. It's still annoying that so many folks out there are calling it 6.1 track. Even Dolby Labs says it's 5.1.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-23-2005 09:30 PM                        I just hope the movie itself fits on one disc. EX sounds good and I hope it is true anamorphic widescreen this time. The lack of that prevented me from purchasing the previous DVD. It is interesting that my LaserDisc version of Titanic is in DTS. You think people calling EX 6.1 is bad... that's nothing! People call receivers with EX or Dolby Pro Logic 2 "7.1"! That's right, 7.1. They figure that each of the back surround speakers is its own individual discrete channel. These people are morons, and the companies actually advertise their receivers as "7.1".  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 07-24-2005 07:32 AM                        quote: Joe Redifer I just hope the movie itself fits on one disc. If they do cram it onto one disc, the compression will look lousy. The only 195-minute film on one (double layer, obviously) DVD I've got is Seven Samurai. It's just about OK, because the film is b/w, very grainy to start with (a lot of it, including the action scenes, was shot on fast stock in natural light) and Academy ratio. The bitrate hardly ever goes above 4 throughout the film. But a colour, 'scope (wider pixels) feature with lots of fine detail and contrast in the picture would look lousy at that level of bandwidth, I'd have thought; unless you're only ever going to watch it letterboxed on a 14' portable TV.  |  IP: Logged Andy Summers Master Film Handler Posts: 397 From: Bournemouth Dorset United kingdom Registered: Jun 2005 posted 07-24-2005 08:27 AM                 Wow Bobby that looks cool, the sound mix on this film sinks most drum & bass music, hehehe. Do you think there will be a D-Theatre version in the U.S and not soon after a HD-DVD mega cool, and what of DTS is there going to be a DTS mix this time, and audio commentary the guy is shy like Lucas and Spielberg, man lets hear in there own words, how they feel about the work they and the other artists have achieved for the screen…. Joe, do you what to keep your Titanic DTS THX Laserdisc, been trying to hunt one down…  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-24-2005 04:14 PM                     quote: Joe Redifer I just hope the movie itself fits on one disc. The movie will fit on one disc in the 2-disc version. I don't know about the 3-disc version. The movie will span 2-discs on the 4-disc version. As to the challenge of fitting the show on one disc, that shouldn't be a problem. DVD video compression techniques are much more advanced than they were a few years ago. The three LOTR 2-disc DVDs had pretty good video quality in spite of the fact each one ran at or over three hours. The theatrical cut of "Return of the King" was 200 minutes (right at the playback limit of a standard 2-disc DTS-6 cinema player). quote: Andy Summers Do you think there will be a D-Theatre version in the U.S It's a possibility -perhaps a slim possibility. Fox has been one of the best supporters of the D-Theater D-VHS format. I also have to give them credit for including DTS on a number of titles -all at the 1509kb/s full bitrate no less. The downside is some of their D-VHS titles (such as "True Lies" and "Moulin Rouge" for instance) have been discontinued. I don't know what sales numbers have been for D-VHS, but they can't be all that impressive. There's no place here in Lawton selling the tapes. You have to look hard in larger cities for stores carrying them. Most people have to order them online.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-25-2005 06:18 PM                     UPDATE Okay, the websites for The Digital Bits and Home Media Retailing are reporting there will be only one version of the new anamorphic enhanced "Titanic" DVD. And that will be a three disc set. Reports of 4-disc sets being offered are simply packages that include the 3-disc DVD set plus the soundtrack CD. Official confirmation hasn't come in on these details. And the issue of whether the movie will fit on one or two discs is still up in the air. My hunch is the movie will be spread across two discs since all the deleted scenes are being worked in via the option of seamless branching. The theatrical cut runs 3 hours 14 minutes. Add in nearly an hour's worth of previously unused footage and I think it may go past acceptable limits for fitting the movie on one disc. It's certainly possible to fit a 4 hour cut of "Titanic" on one DVD, but what kind of sacrifices are going to be made on image quality to do that? Expectations are probably going to be pretty high for this release to be a major visual improvement over the previous non-anamorphic version.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-25-2005 07:40 PM                        Aw man... I sure hope those extra scenes don't suck ass. How does "seamless branching" work? Usually there is seek time involved when going from one track to the next.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-25-2005 10:21 PM                     There's gotta be some buffer fifo thingamajiggie mojo happenin'. However, several of the DVDs I have featuring it seem to play just fine ("The Abyss: SE", "T2: Ultimate Edition DVD," "Independence Day: Five Star Collection"). I'm not quite sure how that is accomplished -the natural hunch is to assume the extra footage is just included into the show in normal linear fashion and that there is some kind of script and indexing at work to make the player skip over those segments if someone chooses the shorter cut. I'm just wondering if the DVD player loads up footage into some kind of frame buffer to hide the track seek function when the player skips over something. Without some kind of memory buffer the short version would have all these layer change style pauses throughout.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 07-25-2005 10:27 PM                        There can't be any kind of extended memory buffer because my player always pauses at the layer change (quickly when playing Dolby Digital, much longer when playing DTS). If there was a buffer, there would be no need for a pause even at the layer change.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-25-2005 10:46 PM                     Well, as I stated I was just spit-balling. There might be a logical explanation on why there isn't much of any percieveable delay when the player skips a branched part of the disc but then hangs for a second when the layer change happens.  |  IP: Logged

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