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Author Topic: Blu-Ray players to PUNISH users who hack Greg Mueller Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1687 From: Port Gamble, WA Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-17-2006 03:39 PM                        Ka-rumba! Anytime you hear of a 10:1 (or even 9:1) return on your dollar, I'm in! (and....it's legal!)  |  IP: Logged Anslem Rayburn Master Film Handler Posts: 476 From: Yuma, AZ, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 02-17-2006 04:10 PM                     People almost seem to be taking this thread personally. I think Bobby is speaking about what's impressive, Greg is talking about making money. They are 2 different things, and have nothing to do with one another. 1980 had 3 films gross over $100 million domestic, 2005 had 19 of them. I am much more impressed by a film that was 1 out of 3 than I am by a film that was one out of 19. That doesn't mean that the films from 2005 weren't profitable, it's just that the bar of $100 million doesn't mean as much as it once did. To get that same level of 'wow', they would need to gross $237 million or so (looking at the increase in ticket price over those years). Guess what? In 2005 exactly 3 pictures did just that. Diary of a Mad Black Woman cost 5.5 million to make. It made 50 million dollars. Plenty of profit for the filmmakers. No 'wow' or hype because it's gross really isn't that spectacular. A good business investment, yes. But not a box office powerhouse. There is a difference.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 02-28-2006 07:11 PM                        http://gear.ign.com/articles/691/691408p1.html Another article about how over 3 million HDTVs will not work with the new formats. Do they really think these formats will be any kind of great success? I just don't see it happening.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-28-2006 08:05 PM                     I'm not going to be buying anytime soon. Most of the "1080P" HDTV sets can't bring in a 1080P signal -even though video game consoles, computer systems and other devices can provide that or may in the near future. I'm fixing to pay off my truck a year early. If I buy any nice electronics with that improved cash flow, it's going to be computer related, not home theater related.  |  IP: Logged Jim Henk Master Film Handler Posts: 364 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Feb 2006 posted 02-28-2006 08:15 PM                     quote: Joe Redifer Another article about how over 3 million HDTVs will not work with the new formats. Do they really think these formats will be any kind of great success? I just don't see it happening. How much money did they lose with the original DivX debacle again? And what was that all about? Screwy overbearing controlling media arrangements? Those who refuse to learn from history, and all that...  |  IP: Logged Evans A Criswell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1579 From: Huntsville, AL, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 02-28-2006 08:47 PM                        I've learned that with anything, early adopters are more likely to get screwed. I'm in no hurry to get any HD DVD because the anamorphic widescreen DVDs I have look fantastic on my set. Even if an HD version of DVD would look better, would it be worth it for me to buy hardly any movies over again? Unlikely. I'll buy them once I have a TV that has the right input for it, and when the HD ones are mainstream and about the same price as the others (at which point the others will start disappearing like VHS is now).  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-01-2006 06:30 PM                        quote: Evans A Criswell I'm in no hurry to get any HD DVD because the anamorphic widescreen DVDs I have look fantastic on my set. There ya go. The above is the reason why the new HD formats are doomed. The current system is good enough for most people, even a demanding tech-minded guy like Evans. Why don't they "get it?" CD was quick to bury the LP because it was a huge, demonstratable improvement. The fact is, 90% or more of people don't have the TV equipment necessary to see the subtle differneces between regular and hi-octane DVD. SACD is failing for the exact same reason.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 03-01-2006 07:10 PM                     SACD (and DVD-A) are also not doing well because those formats are not portable. In fact, that's likey the main reason those formats are stuck in hi-end niche-ville. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will also be affected by the same problem. DVD videos are at least somewhat portable. You can play them in a tricked out car-stereo system. You can play DVD-V discs on most new notebook computers. The copy protection measures used by the two HD-disc formats would likely get in the way of portability (especially if you need an active Internet connection to use the disc). Even without the copy protection measures, there's little benefit above standard 480p DVD of playing a Blu-Ray disc in a car. How many flip down or in-headrest LCD video screens have native resolutions at or above 480p? I'm guessing not many.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 03-02-2006 02:08 PM                        quote: Mike Blakesley CD was quick to bury the LP because it was a huge, demonstratable improvement. **shudder**  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-02-2006 05:15 PM                        I should have added, "for 99.9% of listeners."  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-02-2006 06:02 PM                        Well not only that, but you didn't have to pick up some ancient needle and place it where you wanted, the access was near-instant, the things were much smaller, you didn't have to have a clean room to store and listen to them in to avoid hearing dust specks, etc etc etc.  |  IP: Logged Evans A Criswell Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1579 From: Huntsville, AL, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 03-02-2006 10:07 PM                        I agree with Bobby about the portability of SACD and DVD Audio. The HD DVDs will have the same problem. The only SACDs I've bought have been "hybrids" that play on regular CD players as well. I have no equipment that would benefit from the increased quality of SACD or DVD Audio. Face it. My receiver works best with digital hookups. My DVD players, 2 Laserdisc players, and CD player are all hooked up digitally. The bitstream goes in and is converted by the high-quality D/A converters in the unit (better than the ones in the players). Now suppose I hook up an SACD or DVD Audio player. I suppose the digital out would be limited to 48 KHz, or else I'd have to use the analog hookups? Suppose I use the analog hookups? My receiver will then resample the analog signal at 48 KHz or 44.1 KHz, not sure which, and then have to reconvert it to analog for amplification. WHy do that? The result would likely not be as good as the PCM bitstream from a CD. Also, SACD-only or DVD-Audio-only discs would not be playable anywhere else on a normal CD player and could not be easily converted to MP3s easily without using an analog line and recording them that way to a WAV file, then converting that. HD-DVD will have the same problem. How many people have a second TV in the house where they watch DVD movies? The new HD-DVD discs will not play on a normal DVD player that would be in the other room. A regular DVD would have to be bought to play there. It's not that I wouldn't notice the higher quality of HD-DVD -- it's just that I'm not willing to go to much inconvenience to deal with it -- like having to hook the player to the internet. My home theatre equipment is on the opposite end of the room from my computer and net connection, and I really don't like the idea of having to have a network connection to play a disc I've bought. I'll but a new player when it's mainstream and when that's the only way to get new movies to play at home, after the price falls to be not much more than regular DVD.  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-03-2006 06:39 PM                     Normally you want to wait for the third generation of a new product. Most of the bugs have been worked out, there are new features, and the price has come down a good bit. After the third generation new features will be few, and far between, but the price will continue to drop. At $1800.00 for a "full featured" model, and $1000.00 for a striped down model they may not sell very well.  |  IP: Logged

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