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Bill Gabel
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In this newer DVD release from Warner. Warner will release 5 different versions of the film.
  • Final Cut
    Director's Cut
    Theatrical Cut
    Unrated International Cut
    Workprint Cut (Preview version)
The five disc sets will retail at $39.95 and $99.95.
Blade Runner: Complete Collector's Edition ($39.95)
Blade Runner: Ultimate Collector's Edition ($99.95)
Availible in HD-DVD, Blu-ray and DVD.

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Brett G. Sherris
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We talked to a contact at Warner Bros., and she said that it was fairly definite that they were going all digital for the theatrical re-release. At least for now, there will be no new 35mm prints.

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Peter Boicourt
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I would actually like to see the original version on 35mm again. Warners only has the directors cut. It would be great to run each so people can pick and choose.

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Oliver Pasch
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quote: Aaron Haney
My prediction: not only will it be 35mm only, and not only will it probably not be printed on Kodak 2393 like it should be, but also all those gorgeous 65mm SFX shots will be ruined from passing through a crappy, low-res 2K digital intermediate.

Don't worry. It will be 4K. Or let's say: it should be. If Warner makes a 4K-DCP. But why shouldn't they?

quote:
News

Warner to Restore Films On Blu-ray, HD DVD
Classics such as Blade Runner will get 4k resolution.

By Phillip Swann

Washington, D.C. (May 23, 2007) -- Warner Bros. is planning to issue high-def DVDs of several classic films which will offer more picture resolution than ever before.

That's according to an article by The Hollywood Reporter.

The publication reports that the studio is planning to give a "4k resolution" to such films as Blade Runner, Bonnie and Clyde, Cool Hand Luke, Sudden Impact and Magnum Force.

The 4k resolution offers four times the picture detail found in today's 2k prints.

"When you are doing restoration, you want to re-create a new element to support the title for years to come," Chris Cookson, president of Warner Bros Technical Operations, told the Hollywood Reporter. "It is critical that you retain as much of the original information that the filmmaker created as possible. Unless you are willing to work at 4k, it is inevitable that you will lose a great deal of the information that was created and included in the (original) finished film."

Warner did not reveal when the newly restored films would be launched on Blu-ray and HD DVD, the new high-def DVD formats. However, the Blade Runner edition is expected this year for the film's 25th anniversary.

"I think the basic notion is (that) we owe future generations the best possible elements in the vault," Spencer Stephens, vice president of motion picture imaging at Warner, told the publication.

Source: tvpredictions.com

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Brad Allen
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I've been watching some of the older restored or first time to HD films on HDNET Movies, and I must say, they look stunning. Someone, at least to my untrained eye, is doing a bang up job on these restorations/conversions.

I just last night watched Warners/Clint Eastwoods Bridges of Madison County. Wow, Clint's face never looked so pock marked. [Big Grin]

And my TV is a lowly 3 year old 720P.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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I have only one word for this set, wow! I got the HD-DVD version and watched the original theatrical version last night, the picture and sound was stunning.

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Scott Jentsch
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I have watched about half the "Final Cut" version on HD DVD, and I agree, it looks incredible!

Someone at Warner did a good job with this title, all releases should look this nice.

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Bill Gabel
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Some Blu-ray users got mislabeled disc 5's. Disc 5 has the "Work Print" version, so the mislabel gave them another disc 1 "Final Cut". [Eek!]

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Bobby Henderson
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I "impulse" bought the 2-disc DVD last night at Wal-Mart -since it was only $15. I'll certainly buy one of the better HD versions of the movie once I get my HD setup in place.

Having seen the old DVD with 2-channel audio a number of times (my parents own a copy for instance), I can say without question this new version looks and sounds a LOT better. It goes without saying the HD versions are an even more impressive leap. Warner Bros. had the special effects elements scanned and processed at 6K resolution.

I haven't been able to watch the entire movie yet unfortunately. Last night my hot water heater "died" so a I spent a good part of the evening making phone calls and then buying a decent replacement today. With Christmas nearing, I was lucky just to get an appointment for Friday morning to have a plumber install it. Once all this crap is settled I'll be able to spend some of the holiday "off time" checking out the Bladerunner: The Final Cut DVD.

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quote: Bill Gabel
Some Blu-ray users got mislabeled disc 5's. Disc 5 has the "Work Print" version, so the mislabel gave them another disc 1 "Final Cut"
Uh oh, time for Blu Ray to call it a day. It's all over now. Mark's beard hairs must be doing the happy dance. [uhoh] [Razz]

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Bill Gabel
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You can also add the problems with the Harry Potter: Years 1-5 HD-DVD giftset. The "Goblet of Fire" disc was Blu-ray.
Disney is doing a Blu-ray disc replacement for their "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" for framing issues in the transfer.

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Tom Mundell
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Well how about that! After double checking it looks like my Blu-Ray copy of Pirates is one of those affected by the framing issue; having not seen the movie in theaters for quite a long time I had just assumed that's what was intended, oops!

How on earth do framing issues like this happen when creating the home versions? This now makes the second disc I have with a framing problem (Back to the Future being the first), which really seems like far too many!

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Chad M Calpito
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I recently purchaed the Blade Runner: The Final Cut on DVD at Target for only $14.95 and was pleased with my purchase. The sound and visuals were awesome. I've seen a lot of posts about HD-DVD and Blue-Ray DVD. Interesting to read. But, I haven't decided which way to go yet and will most likely wait until I see who will win out before making an investment.

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Mike Heenan
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I just checked my 5 disc Blu Ray set and fortunately my 5th disc is the workprint.

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Bobby Henderson
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I picked up the Blu-Ray version of the 5-disc Complete Collector's Edition of Bladerunner Thursday (with a couple other movies) when I was buying my new HDTV.

As good as the 2-disc DVD is, it isn't anything compared to the Blu-Ray version. The anamorphic 35mm film elements were treated very well, but the visual effects shots are what really blew me away. I had a big grin on my face watching the opening sequence that transitions toward the Tyrell Corporation tower.

The 6K scanning and digital processing of the 65mm effects plates delivered outstanding results. The movie is 25 years old, but those practical/optical effects look every bit as good -and in some cases even BETTER- than a lot of the visual effects we see in modern movies. I've complained about bad CGI in movies over the years.

I think the way Bladerunner looks would really suggest that modern movie productions should consider making "practical" models and use motion control cameras for some camera shots instead of doing everything in CGI.

The 5-disc collector's edition effectively has 5 different versions of the movie. After watching the Final Cut version, I loaded disc 3 and watched the original 1982 US theatrical version. One of my coworkers prefers the narration added to it. I sort of liked it years ago, but now the narration just seems really stupid. The narration isn't written very well at all. It isn't clever or funny. It's just broad, obvious stuff that assumes everyone in the audience is an idiot and needs everything explained to them. Even the added on happy ending doesn't seem to fit. Overall, I think Ridley Scott's Final Cut version is really the best version of this movie.

The other versions of the movie are in 1080p HD, but aren't as sharp, steady and colorful as the Final Cut version. You see that difference right from the opening titles and logos.

1080p HD is great at showing a lot of detail. But sometimes there's drawbacks with that. Joanne Cassidy made a hell of an impression on lots of male viewers in her short amount of screen time in this movie. But the detail with her scene is revealing enough that you can see blue color of blood vessels under the skin on her breasts. That's just a natural thing; there's nothing wrong with it. But you can still see it.

Fortunately, my 5-disc copy of the movie was correctly packaged with the work print disc, not a mislabeled disc 1. Obviously the work print doesn't look nearly as good as the other versions of the movie. But it's interesting to watch for its differences from the other versions of the movie.

BTW, I like how the BD version of Bladerunner goes right into playing the movies. You just have an FBI warning thing and that's it. The DVD version has some really nice animated menus which don't seem to be included on the Blu-Ray version. But they're not taking up your time either.

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