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Bobby Henderson
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quote: David Stambaugh
Didn't that flat-logo-projected-in-scope error even carry over to home video releases?
I don't think so. Each DVD release has had the 1980's era 20th Century Fox logo properly composed for a 'scope frame. I'm not sure if the stretched logo error carried over to any of the laser disc releases.

quote: David Stambaugh
Anyway "Die Hard" is another contemporary example where the Fox Fanfare fit the movie perfectly.
IMHO, that is the very best rendition of Fox Fanfare I've heard on any Fox release. It's just damned ballsy as hell. I remember even being a little startled by it the first time I saw Die Hard in 70mm. The drums thump really hard and the pacing of the music has a certain snap to it that is lacking in a lot of the other customized arrangements of the iconic tune.

I think movies like Predator and Speed used the same recording, but the audio was mixed just a little different. The music's mix on the opening of Die Hard had more slam.

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Steve Guttag
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There are many more varients to the openings that listed here but the major changes have been picked off. Like for Fox...keep an eye on the "20" in it and watch the "0" change in shape over the years...it is like they couldn't decide what it should look like until it was bobbed down a bit to its present and consistant form.

The horrible Columbia thing from the 70s (starburst) with the unfocusable letters (on the negatives!)...I remember talking with a guy doing telecine work telling me it was a blur for them too.

The "simple" W for Warners was affectionately known as the "saugage links." I tend to like the older version of the intros best.

Certainly Fox, with the full fanfare is very impressive...I like Leo roaring more than him missing/stationary. I want to say there were some MGM/UA features that had such a intro that they tried to have neither the traditional UA (transamerica) nor the Leo MGM and had what looked like plain jane text with the slash and all. MGM/UA...

I also like the Tri-Star intro with the charging Unicorn...nice music too.

Universal played with their intro too much for me though each time it was easily identified as Universal.

Now who can't look up in the sky and see the stars that form Orion and not expect them to start to swirl to form the "O" in Orion?

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Scott Norwood
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I like the current 20th Century Fox and Warner logos, but both of them really should be re-done at a higher resolution, since the current versions have digital "jaggies" that are way too obvious.

Is anyone else annoyed when video versions of films have different logos than the theatrical versions? One example that comes to mind is the current DVD of "Trainspotting"--the 35mm prints have the "flying-M" Miramax logo, whereas the DVD has the current "city" logo. Minor, but annoying nonetheless. There are plenty of other examples as well.

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Bobby Henderson
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Columbia Pictures' branding scheme was sort of hit and miss during the 1970's and 1980's. The starburst thing by itself (which faded into the minimalistic logo thingie) didn't work all that great. OTOH, I liked how the colored starburst was incorporated into the lady's torch, as seen in the opening of Ghostbusters. The torch would intensify in brightness to show that rainbow colored starburst. The lettering on the image had some problems. The rounded and heavy weight ITC Souvenir type with all its shiny embellishment certainly made it a bit difficult to read.

I kind of liked the treatment of Warner Bros' old "sausage links" logo where the camera would zoom through the "W" a couple of times.

Those minimalistic and hard edged graphic logos were all the rage in the 1960's and 1970's. It seemed like most movie studios and TV networks had to develop one. I think the CBS "Eye" logo (first developed in the 1950's) and other icons like the one for IBM were pretty influential. That trend certainly led to the stark graphical logo for MGM on the front of 2001: A Space Odyssey. Warner's sausage link "W" was one of the more successful marks. I remember seeing it on lots of movies and music recordings when I was a kid. Paramount Pictures came up with a decent hard edged logo of their mountain brand during that period.

Paramount is one of those studios that didn't change its opening logo very often. The current CGI flying stars intro has been around for a few years now. I can't remember which movie ushered in that one. I'm pretty sure Top Gun debuted the first flying stars Paramount logo. Previous to that, the traditional mountain painting was used in various configurations, with some transitioning to the hard graphic logo.

quote: Steve Guttag
Universal played with their intro too much for me though each time it was easily identified as Universal.
I don't think Universal has changed its logo more than twice in the last 30 years. The "Saturn rings" logo spanned much of the 1970s and 1980s. Back to the Future: Part II unveiled the version that was used for much of the 1990s. The current Universal motion graphic was introduced with The Lost World: Jurassic Park.

Prior to those three versions, Universal has had a lot of different intro graphics.

Regarding the Tri-Star logo, I liked the music for that motion graphic. But I thought the visuals of the wings coming out of the horse looked pretty fake. The final "print version" logo with the winged horse over the triangle was a nice image.

The thing with Tri-Star also reminds me of Carolco's logo (both were sometimes seen together). Carolco's logo would start out pretty cool looking but after all the dazzling light effects play out and the logo finishes zooming out it just ends up looking fake for some reason. I think it's because the logo was in true 3D perspective at first and then it is collapsed into something with a flat isometric block shadow. It feels like it's breaking a visual rule in its process.

quote: Steve Guttag
Now who can't look up in the sky and see the stars that form Orion and not expect them to start to swirl to form the "O" in Orion?
I was used to identifying Woody Allen movies and such with the Orion logo. After seeing Robocop I always tend to think of that movie whenever seeing those stars swirl around the "O".

quote: Scott Norwood
Is anyone else annoyed when video versions of films have different logos than the theatrical versions? One example that comes to mind is the current DVD of "Trainspotting"--the 35mm prints have the "flying-M" Miramax logo, whereas the DVD has the current "city" logo. Minor, but annoying nonetheless. There are plenty of other examples as well.
In the case of Miramax, their previous logo was so cheesy looking I could forgive them applying the much better looking "city" version to any catalog DVD releases. But from a purist's perspective, I agree any movie re-issue on DVD or in theaters should use the studio graphic from that era.

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Michael Coate
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quote: Bobby Henderson
I'm pretty sure Top Gun debuted the first flying stars Paramount logo.
Theatrically, it was introduced with "The Golden Child" (December 1986). The original video versions of "Top Gun," however, did have the logo you're thinking of because those versions were released after the new logo had been introduced.

quote: Bobby Henderson
Back to the Future: Part II unveiled the version that was used for much of the 1990s.
My recollection is that it was "Part III" rather than "Part II" that introduced the '90s version of the Universal logo.

quote: Scott Norwood
Is anyone else annoyed when video versions of films have different logos than the theatrical versions?
Yes, very much so! One of the reasons I don't care for the logo changes is that when the studios dick around with the logos they sometimes (inadvertently?) alter content such as music that may have appeared over the original logo. The original video versions of "Top Gun," for instance, had music removed during the "new" logo, and then when the first post-logo credit comes up the music just "pops on" at full volume. Dumbasses!

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Damien Taylor
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The Back To The Future III DVD, and possibly theatrical release (I didn't go as I was 5) Had that great Universal 75th anniversary montage. I believe Ghostbusters II had a similar one for Columbia. How did they achieve the effect of the lens glare on the circa 1940 Columbia intro? See "His Girl Friday" for example. WB celebrated their 75th with Bugs added to the opening.

Two very nice transfers from universal were on the DVD release of: Dracula's Daughter (1936) which had the circumnavigating plane tag. and,
Son Of Dracula (1943) had the shiny metal earth and spinning glass stars tag.
The Frankenstein release contained the same in varying degrees of blurriness.

UHF also contained that great Orion opening.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Michael Coate
Theatrically, it was introduced with "The Golden Child" (December 1986).
...and beginning of Paramount's 75th anniversary which the "75th" was centered under the "Paramount" script - and was in a more colorful and higher contrast logo, but still with Gulf+Western at the time.

..then, the "90th" anniv logo came in below the "Paramount" script in 2002...

My biggest memory with the Orion trademark (through Warner Bros) was the 1980 John Boorman film "Excalibur" - being that the opening music was from one of Wagner's orchestral pieces from one of his operas..

Then another Orion memory was the 8 academy award winning classic movie in 1984, being that of "Amadeus". with the opening of when Salieri screaming out the words "Mozart" while in the asylum and the opening bars of Mozart's Symphony no. 25 in G minor.

Then, of the British "Top Rank Organization" trademark with the bodybuilder swinging the hammer onto the large gong.

Avco Embassy (when Avco Financial Services bought Embassy Pictures - studio of "the Graduate" fame - which looked good in scope and IB technicolor..) and created the multi colored slanted "A" that would meld those colors into white.

Every time I happen to see the UA trademark with the Transamerica Corporation "T", I think of "Yellow Submarine" and "Fiddler on the Roof" - and to think "Heaven's Gate" destroyed that union...

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Christian Appelt
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Many DVD releases of old movies bear a number of new trademarks.
I do not recall titles, but some MGM black & white films had BOTH the usual grainy Leo in color AND a new CGI United Artists logo.

After the end credits, they added another "excitingly animated" MGM lion to advertise mgm.com - if you fell asleep during the main feature, the cheap "whoosh" sound at ear-splitting volume will either wake you up or give you a heart attack.

BTW, someone must have complained about the CGI UA logo in colour because they changed it to b&w in later DVD releases...

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Bobby Henderson
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I liked the United Artists logo which was used on releases like Goldeneye in 1995. Wasn't that the first movie in which it appeared? It looked kind of cool and the music accompanying it was pretty decent as well, at least it worked well with the James Bond thing.

quote: Monte L Fullmer
Every time I happen to see the UA trademark with the Transamerica Corporation "T", I think of "Yellow Submarine" and "Fiddler on the Roof" - and to think "Heaven's Gate" destroyed that union...
I always think of animated Pink Panther cartoons when seeing that mark.

Regarding the MGM logo and its roaring Leo the Lion character, I kind of think of that studio logo as being the "Coca-Cola" of movie studio logos. Cumulative history noted, especially during Hollywood's "golden age," this is the most emblematic icon of Hollywood -even more so than 20th Century Fox' icon.

And that's why I think Sony/MGM is sort of stuck with that logo's current arrangement. Even if they put together some flashy new animated motion graphic with the ribbon flying into the frame or some animated montage of lions or something, all the elements would have to line up into the old logo's arrangement at the end, with Leo roaring inside of that ribbon frame.

It will be interesting to see what happens with MGM's motion graphic branding in the next few years with new James Bond movies and such. I think there's a decent chance Sony will risk playing around with it, but they won't have very much flexibility in how they do it.

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Bobby Henderson
I always think of animated Pink Panther cartoons when seeing that mark.


Yes, Bobby I fully agree, and we can also add "the Ant and the Aardvark" in this as well - the many times I ran these two UA cartoons prior to feature beginnings at the Drive-In I used to work at for quite the time ...

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I hate hate hate that cheap looking "glare wipe" mid 90's thing UA had, it was pure rubbish. The only movie I remember having it offhand was Hackers.

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David Stambaugh
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There's an interesting history of the Paramount "Magestic Mountain" logo here.

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Frank Angel
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Anyone know if the stylized MGM lion designed for 2001 was ever used again on any other MGM release? I heard someplace along the way that it was designed specifically for that film and remained unique to it.

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I liked the Columbia logo on 1959's, THE MOUSE THAT ROARED with Peter Sellers.

Torch lady looks down at her feet, sees a mouse, and runs away leaving the torch light and its power cord hanging.

I'm glad Columbia had a sense of humor with the use of their logo.

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The lion design used on "2001" was also on MGM Records releases, and I think on some of the first MGM/CBS Home Video releases on the tape labels.

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