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Author Topic: Baraka - Blu-ray Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-04-2008 10:59 PM                     Joe, I'm going to need an improved box!!!  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-04-2008 11:09 PM                     quote: Mike Heenan Is an 8k digital intermediate "good" enough to produce a new 70mm print? Seems like it should be higher, considering that some effects for Blade Runner were scanned at that rez and I believe those were shot in 35mm. 16K would be more appropriate. However, the resulting scans for a 2-hour 16K DI would consume 240TB of disc space. Just one 16K film frame would demand a heavy amount of computing resources. DI retouching work has to expand changes across numerous frames. Right now 8K is pushing the outer limits of what is practical in DI work. Too many posting outfits are still scared of working in 4K at this point. The visual effects in Bladerunner were shot in 65mm. The live action elements were 35mm anamorphic. The 65mm elements were scanned at 6K resolution for the "final cut" version. The 35mm elements were scanned in 4K. There's one thing I forgot to mention earlier. When I watched Baraka I moved my coffee table out of the way so I could sit closer to my TV screen. Usually I just sit on the couch about 7 feet from the screen while watching Blu-ray movies. There is a lot of wide shots showing lots and lots of tiny details. You'll miss some of those details sitting farther away from the screen. For example, there is an aerial shot looking far down on thousands of flamingoes taking flight. Viewed up close, you can pick out the individual birds clearly. A few feet farther away from the screen the flamingos are little specs. A motion control time lapse shot of Park Avenue in New York is so detailed you can read the green street signs down in the distance. Baraka was composed to be seen on large movie theater screens -much in the same way IMAX movies work. There's lots of camera shots that don't seem all that much different from epic IMAX shots. The movie was shot in 5/65mm so a longer running time could be used. Commercial movie theaters were only just starting to embrace IMAX at the time. Most IMAX theaters in museums demanded shows with 40 minute run times. A lot more commercial theaters still had 5/70 projection systems in use. quote: Joe Redifer The disc comes in a paper box because the manufacturer is cheap. Not being one to remain content with mediocrity, I made my own box by scanning the original in an ultradigital 8K process (and removed the recycling logos while I was at it) That's a pretty nice job. I don't have any empty Blu-ray disc cases right now, but I could order some from Amazon.com. I may create some cover art to work for the CD jewel case I'm currently using to store the disc. I'll put together something different than the cover art used on the present design. I'm thinking along the lines of something more understated. I'll still use the Michelangelo typeface used in the title. But I'll say no to the Trajan. Combining Michelangelo and Trajan in the same design is like wearing clothes with clashing colors.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-04-2008 11:46 PM                        While I can't provide the sweet-ass blue boxes, I can provide the printable insert: Right click here to download 56.18 MB 400dpi (8K UltraDigital) You may need to adjust the gamma on the image depending on how your printer is set up. Go to the thrift store and buy a cheap BD just for the case. Please note that there are two different styles of BD cases, the type with a rounder top and the type with a more squared-off top. It shouldn't matter which you use as they both seem to use the same size of inserts.  |  IP: Logged Jesse Skeen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1517 From: Sacramento, CA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 11-05-2008 05:23 AM                     If you like Baraka, also check out Koyaanisqatsi (though it's not on Blu-Ray yet). It's the same sort of movie, absolutely no dialogue or story, you just stare at it and you either get it or you don't.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-05-2008 10:55 AM                     I had the pleasure of running BARAKA in 70mm at least once a week for about 6 years. Quite often it was the highlight of the week. It's an excellent show and it's pleasing that they seem to have done such a great job. Looking forward to the sequel 'Samsara'..also being shot in 65mm. It apparently comes out in 2009. Koyaanisqatsi (1982) was photographed and edited by Baraka's director, Ron Fricke. Powaqqatsi (1988) is another in that line but 2 things go against it. 1...George Lucas has a producer credit and 2...Fricke had nothing to do with it. Naqoyqatsi (2002 is the third in that series...I haven't seen that one. The first 2 were shot on 35mm while the third was shot on video. Making Baraka The entire film is also on YouTube... There's a scene from BARAKA in Ice Age 2. I always thought it was just so obscure to put it in. I enjoyed it though. I tried to find it YouTube but this is as close as I could find. It happens at 21 seconds...don't blink or you'll miss it.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 11-05-2008 11:12 AM                     Fricke also shot effects footage for STAR WARS: EPISODE III--REVENGE OF THE SITH. All of the volcano footage was his.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-05-2008 11:30 AM                     Perhaps he was looking for ways to finance Samsara.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-05-2008 02:11 PM                        Isn't Koyaanisqatsi (boy, that sure rolls off the toungue) in the inferior 4:3 format (or 1.33 or whatever). I don't think I could take too much of the same thing, but I am looking forward to the sequel just as long as there are no 35mm or DC "prints" struck. There aren't many venues in my city that can still run 70mm, and even fewer operators who are competent enough. I remember Hamlet at the Mayan or Esquire (they are the same to me) was scratched in the first week.  |  IP: Logged Mike Schindler Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1039 From: Oak Park, IL, USA Registered: Jun 2002 posted 11-05-2008 03:02 PM                     Koyaanisqatsi is actually in 1.85:1. It's quite good. Way better than BARAKA, even if it's not as impressive from a technical standpoint. Coincidentally, I just watched THE MATRIX RELOAD on BD, and noticed that scenes from BARAKA appear on the wall of monitors in the Architect scene.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 11-05-2008 06:39 PM                        I first saw BARAKA at the now defunct Varsity Theatre in Honolulu during the Hawaii Film Festival sometime in the early nineties in 35mm . The print I saw was in terrible shape with scratches throughout the film but I still enjoyed it very much. This is the third time it was released on DVD and the first time in BD. I bought the first disc but was not too impressed with the picture quality and gave it away to a friend. I decided to pass when it was released again despite the fact that it had received very favorable reviews. After reading advance press announcement for the current DVD when it was acknowledged that it was going to be replicated from the original 65mm negative source in a very high bit rate, I could not wait to get hold of a copy. Because I still do not yet have BD player, I purchased the SD version and I was very impressed after I played it. The picture and sound quality was so awesome, I had the feeling I was watching it in a theatre in 7omm. Because of my reaction watching the SD version and all of the great reviews of BARAKA in BD I had read, I went to Best Buy and purchased the high definition version because of my plans to purchase a Blur-Ray player very soon. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Paul Mayer Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under! Posts: 3836 From: Albuquerque, NM Registered: Feb 2000 posted 11-05-2008 08:15 PM                        If you guys like Ron Fricke's photography, also check out his 1985 IMAX pic Chronos . 42 minutes of all time-lapse images of places and things that you wouldn't think would lend themselves to the time-lapse treatment, but it works. Music by Michael Stearns. It is available on the Blu disc.  |  IP: Logged Tom Doyle Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Bristol, CT, USA Registered: Nov 2002 posted 11-06-2008 10:40 AM                     Bobby, thanks for the heads up. I don't keep up on home video releases, but this is one more reason I should get a HD setup sometime. I'm sure some of my friends will be picking this up soon. I'm glad someone mentioned Samsara in this thread. I don't hear much about it. Didn't the disk have any information on it? Even just a teaser trailer? It seems like they're missing out on a good promotional opportunity. Anyway, if anyone wants to REALLY see and hear Baraka, Trinity College in Hartford is once again doing a week of 70mm showings in December: http://www.cinestudio.org  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 11-06-2008 10:56 AM                        I doubt 70mm mag could compare with lossless 24-bit 96Khz audio (though I'm sure the same wackos who insist that vinyl sounds better than real life would argue against that since digital is ALWAYS inferior). Also, it is a college. I do not approve of colleges. They're not even real people yet.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-07-2008 10:56 PM                     I wonder if someone can help me about a piece of music in Baraka. In Chapter 19, "Varanasi Sunrise," it starts out with a piece of uplifting music that seems strangely familiar. This is the chapter late in the movie where people are praying in India's Ganges river and burning the dead next to its banks. I can't quite place the music, but I swear I have heard it in some other movie or TV commercial or something. I'm sorry, but it's really bugging me.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-08-2008 08:46 AM                     Joe, It is likely that 70mm magnetic would compare favorably to 24/96 in most respects. Of course, the source elements and any digital processing that might have been done to them would narrow the gap or close it. Of those I know in the professional recording end of things, when straight analog goes up agains straight digital...in terms of accuracy of sound reproduction, analog always wins. More recently, one of my collegues described it...when comparing identical recordings of an orchestra, the pure analog version captured the whole sound stage and more accurately reproduced what was heard in the actual hall. The Digital version, sounded like two speakers. Not that it sounded bad but there were many sensory cues that seemed to have been lost in the bits. There is no getting around the fact that most of recorded sound starts in the analog rehlm and so long as speakers/ears are used, it will need to end in analog. Going through an A/D and D/A will give you only a facimilie of what was originally picked up. How the signal is converted and how it is treated in the digital side of things will determine the final result. As with DCinema...people confuse crispness for detail...in truth the digital repersentation often has far LESS detail. But since the bits are accurately (Sharply) presented, people, at first, see a much sharper picture or in the case of sound, it is very clean. Digital also clearly wins in the "Self-cleaning" side of things via error-correction. Steve  |  IP: Logged

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