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Jesse Skeen
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Check out "American Pie: Beta House" (it's a direct-to-video sequel with very distant relation to anything in the more well-known movies. It's enjoyable if you like stupid movies.) There's a particular scene, and you'll know it when you see it, that most likely would have gotten an NC-17. And yes, this is the version Blockbuster carries even though there's also an R version out (not putting both cuts on one disc is ridiculous in itself, but that's a whole 'nother rant.) In the past I've also seen them offer stuff like Andrew Dice Clay HBO specials, which aren't rated, but they wouldn't carry the theatrical movie "Dice Rules" which is just a filmed stand-up performance because that WAS rated NC-17 (for filthy words.)

In the 10+ years I've had a player I've never rented a DVD anyways- in the beginning I bought as many as I could because I wanted to support the reasonable pricing structure they had for them. The closest I've come to renting was checking out a few from the public library (many of which were abused beyond belief) and several free rentals from Redbox, which for more than a year has been giving out free rentals every Monday plus frequent codes for other days too. If I worked for a movie studio I wouldn't like either of these because not only does it put the movie in someone's hands for nothing, but it also makes it a lot easier to get the disc just for the purpose of making a copy. Universal's been trying to set some restrictions for Redbox, like not letting them put out titles until they've been out a few weeks, but Redbox has been fighting that.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Jesse Skeen
There's a particular scene, and you'll know it when you see it, that most likely would have gotten an NC-17.
Actually I wouldn't know because the MPAA is not consistent in where it draws the line between R-rated and NC-17 rated sexual content. Chances are the scene you're talking about in this American Pie sequel only features some female nudity and implied/acted sex. It's quite likely I would find the scene very tame compared to an average HBO episode of Cathouse or a "cable friendly" version of a porn movie aired on Cinemax.

I think I have a pretty good idea where the line is between stuff like hardcore porn and R-rated "soft core" sexual content. The most easy to understand difference is one movie the actors are merely acting like they're having sex and in another movie the performers aren't acting, they're really having sex with each other with the camera showing physical, clinical proof. Some feature films, particularly a few in Europe, have included scenes of truly explicit, not simulated sex. Such films are definitely worthy of a NC-17 rating, or even the "X" rating for that matter.

The MPAA gets itself into trouble by trying to say one scene of simulated sex is just too graphic to only earn a "R" rating. I could go along with their line of thinking on this if they would be clear about where they're drawing the line and if the point where they're drawing the line makes any consistent, logical sense at all. Currently their standards are not logical or consistent.

quote: Jesse Skeen
In the past I've also seen them offer stuff like Andrew Dice Clay HBO specials, which aren't rated, but they wouldn't carry the theatrical movie "Dice Rules" which is just a filmed stand-up performance because that WAS rated NC-17 (for filthy words.)
Giving a stand up comedy concert movie a NC-17 rating over offensive dialog just seems really stupid to me. There's hardly anything in a Andrew "Dice" Clay concert or other "unrated" comedy features such as The Aristocrats that I haven't already heard in other comedy shows broadcast on cable TV.

One of the most filthy comedy concert specials I've ever seen was Jim Norton: Monster Rain on HBO. He dredged up some seriously shocking stuff. Even Comedy Central gets out of hand with its own "roasts" of personalities like "Larry the Cable Guy" and Pamela Anderson (watch the uncensored "Secret Stash" versions).

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Martin McCaffery
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quote: Bobby Henderson
Currently their standards are not logical or consistent.
You're making the assumption they have standards. The ratings are imposed by a group of mommies chosen by the MPAA and let loose on the movies. The ratings are whatever they want them to be at any given time, they aren't even meant to have standards.

The ratings, per the MPAA, are only an advisory to parents as to the suitability (in the MPAA's eyes) of the film for children. Where the MPAA really gets in trouble is when they conspire with theatres to enforce the ratings (which are only supposed to be a suggestion) and when various other entities make business decisions based on the ratings.

It is shocking the number of people who think the ratings are law, or have some legal backing. Hollywood can be really good at propaganda when it wants to be.

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Bobby Henderson
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Actually the MPAA ratings system is a little more insidious a system than anything else.

As I said earlier, major movie studios are largely the ones making the payroll for the MPAA. If a studio like Paramount releases a movie like Team America: World Police the MPAA will give Paramount very specific instructions on what to cut to allow the initial NC-17 rated judgment to get watered down to a more commercially friendly "R" rating. The MPAA does not afford that kind of courtesy to independent movie studios when submitting a movie like Orgazmo for ratings consideration.

Both movies previously mentioned were made by South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone. They didn't get any guidelines on what they could do to avoid the commercially dreaded NC-17 on Orgazmo, just vague bullshit. They received very specific suggestions on what to cut with Team America: World Police, distributed by Paramount.

IMHO, the R-rated cut of Team America: World Police is more offensive than all of Orgazmo. But we know Orgazmo got stuck with a NC-17 rating while Team America: World Police played in theaters nationwide in a conveniently watered-down R-rated cut. The movie then featured the original NC-17 cut of puppets shitting and pissing on each other when it arrived on DVD. Aren't major studio releases great!?

The idea of anatomically neutral and inert puppets conjuring a NC-17 rating is actually a pretty hilarious statement against the absurdity of the MPAA itself.

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Martin McCaffery
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You get what you pay for [Wink]

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Adam Martin
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quote:
Blockbuster Brings Back Late Fees

By : Erik Gruenwedel

Fiscally challenged Blockbuster has quietly re-instituted late fees on store-based movie rentals — with a capped rate.

Beginning March 1, the new-release movie rental period for $4.99 titles has been reduced to five days from seven days, with a $1 per day late fee assessed for up to 10 days thereafter.

The $1 daily fee also applies to one-day standard DVD, Blu-ray Disc and previously viewed rentals.

Previously, following the rental period, consumers were given a 10-day grace period and charged a $10 fee thereafter.

The Dallas-based rental chain late last week informed company-owned stores and franchisees, according to personnel contacted at local Blockbuster locations.

“The cool thing about it is that theoretically you could return a movie up to a year later and only be charged that $10,” said a local Blockbuster store employee, when asked about the changed policy.

Redbox charges $1 per day of rental (until 9 p.m. the following day, local time), plus tax, for up to 25 days, when it would consider the rental a purchase.

Blockbuster spokesperson Michelle Metzger downplayed the notion that elimination of the grace period represented a return to late fees.

Metzger said the additional daily rate is consistent with what the industry is “expecting” and in line with what Redbox charges. She said the new term is not like previous policies that also charged restocking fees.

She said 80% of Blockbuster rentals are new releases, with the average customer keeping rentals 4.7 days.

“If a customer is keeping a release out past the initial rental agreement, they are keeping that title away from somebody else,” Metzger said.

Nonetheless, the concept of late fees represents a dual-edged sword for Blockbuster, which is struggling to cut costs and generate revenue in order to implement a multiplatform distribution channel.

Netflix largely rose to prominence on a “no late fee” platform underscored by a monthly subscription program that actually benefited from titles not returned on a timely basis.

Blockbuster, under its previous management, relied heavily on uncapped late fees for incremental revenue — a stigma some critics harp about to this day.

“This is not a late fee. This is an additional daily rate and if the customer is choosing to keep out a movie past the due date, then they are going to charged [accordingly],” Metzger said. “If you keep a rental car out an extra day, the rental car company has to charge you.”

Indeed, following a fiscal quarter whereby it lost nearly $435 million in adjusted net income and had to revise downward fiscal year earnings and revenue projections, Blockbuster had to make changes, analysts said.

“At $1 per day, it’s very fair and comparable to what Redbox charges per rental,” said Edward Woo, analyst with Wedbush Morgan Securities in Los Angeles.

Colleague Michael Pachter said that given Blockbuster’s financial situation, they had to come up with ways to generate revenue.

“Their [previous] pricing made no sense, and every little bit helps,” Pachter said.


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Michael Barry
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Their [previous] pricing made no sense, and every little bit helps,” Pachter said.
Made no sense? And they didn't realise that when they implemented it way back when...WHY????

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Joe Redifer
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I do not understand why late fees would be considered bad, unless they went over the cost of the movie, which could be quite a bit for a rental store.

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Bobby Henderson
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Don't libraries still charge late fees for overdue books? I don't see the problem with charging a fee for something turned in overdue. If I take a DVD or Blu-ray back to the store a day late I just pay the fine. If I'm going to gripe about it I just gripe at myself for not being better organized.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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> I don't see the problem with charging a fee for something turned in overdue.

I agree, except when they advertise no "late fees", and then impose late fees by calling them something else. The NJ attorney general already successfully sued Blockbuster over this once before.

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Joe Redifer
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I've always wondered why people need 5 to 7 days for a rental. When you want to watch a movie, go out and rent it that day, bring it back the next. That's the way Red Box works, but I won't give them any business until they offer Blu Box. Hopefully they won't try to have "Full" screen on one side and widescreen on the other.

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Adam Martin
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quote:
DISH Network Agrees to Acquire Blockbuster Assets

ENGLEWOOD, Colo., April 6, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- DISH Network Corporation (NASDAQ: DISH) announced that it was selected as the winning bidder in the bankruptcy court auction for substantially all of the assets of Blockbuster, Inc. DISH Network's winning bid was valued at approximately $320 million. After certain adjustments are made at closing of the transaction, including adjustments for available cash and inventory, DISH Network expects to pay approximately $228 million in cash to acquire Blockbuster at the closing which is expected to occur in the second quarter of 2011.

"With its more than 1,700 store locations, a highly recognizable brand and multiple methods of delivery, Blockbuster will complement our existing video offerings while presenting cross-marketing and service extension opportunities for DISH Network," said Tom Cullen, executive vice president of Sales, Marketing and Programming for DISH Network. "While Blockbuster's business faces significant challenges, we look forward to working with its employees to re-establish Blockbuster's brand as a leader in video entertainment."

Completion of the transaction is contingent upon satisfaction of certain conditions, including bankruptcy court approval.


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Sam Graham
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Why, the new company could be called Dishbuster!

(Oh, wait...)

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Mike Blakesley
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Maybe Dish wants to set up one of those over-the-air streaming remote controlled DVD player movie rental farms. You know, to get around that nasty window. [Big Grin]

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