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Jesse Skeen
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Wonder if they'll finally lift Blockbuster's ban on NC-17 movies? Dish has a bunch of softcore stuff on pay-per-view that Blockbuster probably wouldn't carry. I'd have one less reason to boycott them if that happened.

BTW there's a site called ihateblockbuster.com where you can read a lot of interesting stuff from people who've worked for the company. Seems like the people who've been running it the past few years have no clue what they're doing. I 'won' a Blockbuster gift card last year and had to search every store in the area before I found anything I wanted to buy- I don't rent movies anymore, so they should stock more for sale than rental. They've also been wasting a lot of store space with stuff that has nothing to do with the rest of their business; stuff that's advertised on infomercials. (Of course the kind of people who subscribe to Dish are probably the prime market for that kind of stuff!)

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Chris Slycord
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I was driving to work along a different route than usual and saw a a Blockbuster that was closing. The sign specified that it was "This Location Only" to try to dispel the notion that the company as a whole is going down the crapper.

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Emma Tomiak
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I had a giggle when I saw that same sign on one of our local stores...and then on the rest of them, too.

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Joe Redifer
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I'd go in and argue with them, then sue them for false advertisement and then retire.

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Pravin Ratnam
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I got one of those Blockbuster closing sales and got a couple of used DVDs for 2 bucks each. Then I signed up for a two month 5.95 a month deal (11 per month after two months , at which I point I cancel) and for myu 12 bucks, I got a free used BluRay of my choice 12.99 or below, those 2 months of free rentals online, one at a time, with alternate store exchanges allowedm and a couple of free rentals from kiosks.

So I am getting my money's worth. I havent used BB in a long time and signed up for this only because I get to rent a lot of BluRays for what will be less than 1 buck a rental.

Oh, and if you have a GIFT CARD, BB is no longer honoring it because of the bankruptcy, at least in some stores. THe store near my house at this notice that as of 4/7, they stopped honoring gift cards.

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Tom Petrov
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I don't know how BB keeps going on the way they do.

Wal-mart was selling Tron:LEgacy combo pack for $23.99 while BB was selling the same item for $34.99 on opening day for the title.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Sounds like what AOL used to do in selling internet service - charge a lot higher rates where competition would offer cheaper, yet better services.

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Adam Martin
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quote:
Dish Keeping About 575 Blockbuster Stores

By: Erik Gruenwedel

Dish Network, new owner of bankrupt Blockbuster Inc., is keeping about 575 stores in operation while pulling the plug on another 1,100 stores, according to filings with U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York.

Englewood, Colo.-based Dish, which acquired Blockbuster for $320 million in an auction sale April 6, didn’t disclose why the remaining stores would remain open.

In an April 16 court filing, Blockbuster submitted the addresses of about 572 stores it had attached cure amounts on outstanding lease payments due landlords and property owners. Several of the locations contacted by Home Media Magazine confirmed they were staying open.

In separate filings, Blockbuster disclosed the locations of hundreds of stores nationwide whose unexpired leases the Dallas-based rental icon rejected, effective April 17.

The decision to shutter more than 50% of its remaining stores comes just days after Blockbuster sought a three-month extension on the April 14 deadline for remedying outstanding lease agreements.

A Dish/Blockbuster representative was not immediately available for comment.


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Scott Jentsch
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All but three stores in the Milwaukee, WI area will be closed according to an article in the local paper on 4/19/2011.

Upon hearing this news, I went to the Blockbuster location closest to me and wanted to cash in my Blockbuster gift card before the store closed.

The employees there told me that they weren't able to take gift cards right now because of the sale, but I should hold onto it, because they most likely will after everything is settled. They either did not know, or weren't going to talk about, the fact that their store wasn't long for this world, and that Blockbuster has welched on all the money that it had in outstanding debt in the gift cards they sold that had not been redeemed.

It's shady dealings like this that erodes the public's confidence in businesses. If the lights are on at a Blockbuster store, and I have a gift card that says Blockbuster on it, they should honor the commitment they made when they sold that card.

I'm just glad that it was probably only $5 lost, and not anything more substantial.

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Pravin Ratnam
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Shouldnt the customers be the "first in line" creditors if they have gift certificates. I am not stating this as fact, but posing this as a question. What harm is there in letting them at least use the gift cards for rentals in the meantime instead of tangible assets like DVD purchases or candy sales.

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Bobby Henderson
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I got to thinking about some of the economic toll this shift from "brick and mortar" video stores to Redbox and online streaming has taken.

Netflix employs just under 2200 people. Redbox employs between 1100 and 5000 people (based on their category under Linkedin). The retail video store industry obviously employed more people. So the loss of that brick and mortar industry translates to a significant economic loss in terms of jobs. Obviously many of those video store jobs featured crappy pay and maybe even odd hours, but every one of them had management people making considerably more money -perhaps enough to make a positive impact on local property tax rolls, etc. Netflix and Redbox do little if anything at all to contribute to a local economy.

And then there's the video store revenue. Are Netflix and Redbox going to make up for all the revenue taken in previously by the retail video store model? I doubt it. I seriously doubt either will offer real monetary growth over the previous model. Ultimately both offer big price discounts (profit killers) and convenience in the case of Netflix. The convenience of not having to leave the house can actually be bad for business. Since you don't have to leave the home to rent a movie you're not going to be buying anything else on that errand while you're out of the house.

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Tom Petrov
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We had two stores in my area called "Starstruck Entertainment". Both were located in major shopping malls with one actually being located in likely the busiest shopping mall in the GTA. Both stores were open for almost 20 years and both just recently closed. The stores were famous for stocking very hard to find movies as well as pretty much everything else...what was amazing was that their prices were so overpriced it wasn't funny.

Some of the laid off employees recently re-opened the store under a different name in a different location but still had the same concept. I was in the store the other day to check it out and was amazed.

-2001: A Space Odyssey 2 disc DVD was listed at $34.99
-The Essential Art House Criterion movies were listed at $24.99

Most Criterion movies were $44.99 and they were DVDs. What I noticed was that their blu-ray selection was limited.

I felt like going up to the guy at the counter and to ask him, "how can you get away with charging $34.99 for something Wal-Mart is selling for $14.99 on Blu-ray"...I figured they were older, didn't want to hear it from me....so instead I asked the older clerk about some of the laserdiscs he had on display and if they were for sale, his snarky response was "everything is for sale, let me know what you are interested in and I will let you know the price"....I said "ok"

Brick and Mortar stores and especially destination stores are done. What people forget is, when Blockbuster was thriving, they weren't selling VHS movies at sell-thru prices.

Now Walmart, and everyone has new releases on day and date.

quote: Bobby Henderson
Are Netflix and Redbox going to make up for all the revenue taken in previously by the retail video store model?
The future for renting is online. There is no doubt about this. In Canada, Netflix skipped the whole mail-in thing and went right to downloading.

Blockbuster Canada is still seperate from Blockbuster USA and the Canadian arm is still doing ok, but RedBox is coming.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Tom Petrov
The future for renting is online. There is no doubt about this. In Canada, Netflix skipped the whole mail-in thing and went right to downloading.
The "future of" or whatever is besides the point. The push for moving everything to instant downloads and all that nonsense has potentially VERY BAD consequences for the entire entertainment industry. There is a lot of traditional business models of delivering movies, TV shows, etc. that are actually under threat by viewers bypassing the mechanisms that make the business profitable and sustainable.

The "future" of movie renting may indeed be in pay per view via cable/satellite and streaming from the Internet. Unfortunately, those systems don't bring in as much revenue as the old corner video store model did. Those new systems don't provide anywhere near as many jobs. That ultimately makes the new system a negative development in overall economics. You have a net loss of jobs and net loss of money made. The video rental market got turned into something smaller.

I believe TV broadcasting as we know it is threatened in the long term. I think the problem will really become noticeable within the next 3-5 years. The local news and weather is pretty important to a lot of people. But the local TV stations need a certain amount of ad money to survive. More and more people are using DVRs to time shift and skip over commercials. It's becoming easier to bypass the local stations and watch network shows whenever it is convenient. You don't see local ads when doing this, plus there are fewer ads. If this trend continues to grow it will eventually cause local TV stations to fail. It will further reduce the footprint of networks like ABC, CBS, etc. to where they're really no different than any other cable network.

Many newspapers are already in a death spiral from this trend. It is causing a lot of job losses in the printing and journalism fields. Amateur bloggers with no credentials and no accountability are replacing professionals who were paid and contributed to a tax base.

Of course, the movie industry is under threat by the same thing. The business community's goal of squeezing all the money possible out of a movie as fast as possible may mean squeezing the movie theaters out of the picture, which will then result in the movie industry itself being put in its own death spiral. TV, or at least some strange Internet form of it, will finally beat the movie industry.

Some people joke about how so many of the videos posted on YouTube are stupid and meaningless. Here's a warning, if some of the trends I see keep going on to an extreme, those YouTube videos will be all we'll have for entertainment. That, and perhaps some movies and TV shows produced by the Chinese state government.
[Smile]

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Tom Petrov
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Bobby-Hanging on to the past is probably the worst thing a business can do. You need to invest and follow what people want.

Just imagine if Wal-Mart was still not selling groceries right now. Or if car companies were still not sold on having a least one hybrid. Or if a newspaper did not have an on-line edition. What if FedEx did not buy Kinkos or a trucking company to offer Ground.

Blockbuster issue was not that rentals declined, it was that Blockbuster did not see the shift in the way people rent.

Now look at Netflix, they have admitted that mail-in will not be around forever, at they are right, that is why they are moving into online rental.

As for economics, I am not an expert, but I believe investment spurs on new jobs not holding on to the past and the way thing were done.

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Tom Petrov
Bobby-Hanging on to the past is probably the worst thing a business can do. You need to invest and follow what people want.
Hanging onto the past? Try "sticking with what works and what is sustainable."

People want their entertainment for nothing. Napster and various file sharing sites have made that abundantly clear. DVRs are helping destroy the revenue model that makes television broadcasting possible. Movie theaters make much of the movie industry possible. Try explaining just how Hollywood will go on and not lose anything if movie theaters disappear. The video rental & sales business is already MUCH SMALLER thanks to things like Redbox and Netflix. They removed much of the profitability out of the business.

"Giving people what they want" is NOT a charity. The people have to be willing to pay for it to allow the business providing the product to stay in business. If the customer wants something for nothing he needs to take a hike.

quote: Tom Petrov
Just imagine if Wal-Mart was still not selling groceries right now.
That's easy. Without wal-Mart Supercenters in the grocery business a lot more grocery stores would still be in business. Wal-Mart is expert at putting many smaller independent businesses out of business.

quote: Tom Petrov
As for economics, I am not an expert, but I believe investment spurs on new jobs not holding on to the past and the way thing were done.
Investment doesn't do as much to grow jobs as you think. Many companies actually boost their stock price by firing lots of employees and lowering their payroll costs or sending many of the jobs overseas.

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