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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Steve Guttag
would have thought it wouldn't have made much if any difference but when blown up to 35-40 feet wide...sure enough...the higher end player looked NOTABLY better. Go figure.

Having been involved in high end audio for a number of decades now I can truthfully say thats why there IS a higher end!!

Its a paradigm actually... Truth is that high end gear that is built to very high standards(mil-spec) but might not offer any better performance. Some higher end gear which is not built as well but may perform better then gear built to mil spec. High end gear that is built well and performs well are few and far between!!!

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Damien Taylor
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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Having been involved in high end audio for a number of decades
If you mean home audio, I hope you know what I mean when I say I honestly can't hear the difference between my SL-1200 and my friends TD-124!

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote:
I honestly can't hear the difference between my SL-1200 and my friends TD-124!

I've owned both over the years and the TD-124 is idler driven... and it has alot higher rumble spec as a result. The SL-1200 if you are referring to Technics is a dam good tt. Now when it comes to cartridges thats where lies the huge differences... ditto for phono front ends.

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Andy Bajew
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Okay guys. I have, as of now, decided on going with the Epson PowerLite Pro Cinema 7500UB Projector. However, my issue now is figuring out screen size and the proper throw. Lens/screen calculators make me go insane for some reason--I have the hardest time with them.

Here are some figures of the room-with the 16:9 ratio-could anyone possibly help lead me in the steps I need to take or give me some information of what I need to be looking at for the actual screen.

The dimension of the area where the screen can be is 166 inches wide by 108 inches tall. The length of the room from screen to entry is 213 inches-the projector can be placed with a diagonal throw within the first 189 inches from the screen-wall or placed 213 inches from the screen wall for a straight throw.

If this makes sense to anyone, I would greatly appreciate the help. Also, the seating area will be a maximum of 13 feet away from the screen (probably will place two rows from 6-13 feet) We are hoping for a screen size around 100-110 inches.

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Scott Norwood
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Do you want a 4x3 screen, a 16x9 screen, a 2.35 screen, or some other ratio? This will affect everything else. The Epson has a zoom ratio of about 2:1 and a 16x9 chip, so you could do a 2.35 screen with side masking, if you wanted to have a cinema-like image. You would need to manually zoom and re-center the image when switching between other ratios and scope. If you aren't using a perforated screen, you will need to figure out where to put the loudspeakers, and possibly allow room for them above, below, or to the sides of the screen.

Is your 100-110" screen size a width measurement or a diagonal measurement? The math is easier if you use width and height measurements, rather than diagonals.

It sounds as if your seating will be fairly close. If we go by the SMPTE guideline that seats should be 2-4 screen heights back from the screen, and if you want a 2.35:1 screen, you are probably looking at a 3'x7' image, which is smaller than what you mentioned.

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Frank Angel
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SMPTE should really revisit that spec. First off, that means you can never get really immersive viewing. I like to sit much MUCH closer because I want the image to block out most of my peripheral vision. And how does that spec reconcile with 15/70 IMAX or Cinerama? So the bigger the screen the further away they want you to sit, which pretty much negates the whole reason for installing a big screen in the first place.

That figure had to have been based on the image quality of the day, which, given the grain structure of stocks in the 40s and 50s and the steadiness of the projected images in "typical" theatres, the committee came up with that figure, which I contend is pretty subjective of what "looks" comfortable it is not a value based on anything but what a bunch of guys felt was ok. And of course, most theatre never paid any attention to it, especially once CinemaScope made its debute. Time for a revisit.

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Geoff Jones
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Panasonic AE-4000 sounds good, and reasonably priced.

Review:
http://www.projectorcentral.com/panasonic_ae4000_projector_review.htm

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Vern Dias
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If the new Panasonic is anything like it's predecessors, it can't do justice to all the detail inherent in properly transferred and encoded BD sources.

That's because its an LCD projector and the Panasonic Smoothscreen technology that is used to hide the wider gaps between pixels also softens the image considerably.

For my eyes, the newer LCOS based Sony and JVC projectors deliver a far more detailed image then the Panasonic.

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Scott Jentsch
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The LCOS projectors can have their issues as well due to panel misalignment, which can cause softness and color separation artifacts. The Sonys do have adjustments, but there are reports that some panels are outside the realm of perfect adjustment.

That Projector Central review does address the SmoothScreen effects on the image:
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Smooth-screen filter. Panasonic home theater projectors are famous for their Smooth Screen technology--essentially a filter that removes visible pixelation. The AE4000 has this same feature. We used to think that Smooth Screen reduced the sharpness of the image. It does not. Keep in mind when setting up a competing projector with the AE4000 in a side by side test, the "0" settings on the sharpness menus are not identical. Panasonic's models always have the sharpness setting default to zero with no artificial edge enhancement. Competing models usually default to zero also, but their so-called "0" setting often has some built in edge enhancement. On such models, the sharpness control needs to be turned off, or down to -5 or -10 depending on the model in question, to equal what Panasonic models are already defaulted to. Conversely, you can turn the sharpness setting on the AE4000 up to +5 or so to more closely approximate what 0 is on competing units. Once you balance out the edge enhancement, there is no significant difference in image sharpness between the AE4000 and other models in its price range. And if you boost the Detail Clarity Processor to +3 or +4, you get an extremely sharp picture with an abundance of detail definition.
Either the reviewer drank the Panasonic kool-aid, or Panasonic has made some strides in reducing the negative aspects of the technology. Time will tell if other reviewers comment on the picture quality.

At a breakthrough price of just under $2k, the Panasonic seems like an incredibly good value! The PT-AE3000 listed at $2999, and streeted for about $2500. If this was a crappy projector with a budget reputation, it wouldn't matter, but Panasonic has a well-regarded product, and the other manufacturers are going to have to adjust their prices to compete effectively.

If I could swing $2k right now, the Panasonic would be at the top of my list to replace my Sony HS51!

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Andy Bajew
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So the media room project is about to start. I am thinking very heavily on waiting for the Epson EH-TW5500 to be released in November. This seems like everything I want. I have heard a rumor though that there is no keystone correction on this projector--has anyone heard the same?

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Frank Angel
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Andy, if it's the projector of your dreams, I'd first look at your angles, in a small room you may not have angles that are severe enough to cause more than very mild keystoning and you can correct that mechanically with ultrablack velvet masking -- the really black stuff that won't let ANY light show on it -- it's the black hole of masking material.

You can get the nice perpendicular line with the aid of the masking rather than keystone correction in the projector. Besides, digital keystone correction can sometime cause unwanted artifacts and degrade the image.

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Julio Roberto
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There is a review of the Epson EH-TW5500 here in case it's of any help.

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