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Victor Liorentas
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I have all but the first issue,I used to LOVE the magazine but for a while it has been very one note and repetitive.
I still read it but I miss the old days when they had great interviews with speaker designers and a big letters section.

Lately it could be called 3D Review. [Roll Eyes]

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Joe Redifer
When did you write Widescreen Review, Bobby? Did that issue need to be delivered via forklift?
"Low boy" semi truck trailer was required. My "ads that confuse" thing ran in a fall 1994 issue. I gave both Dolby and DTS a good bit of hell for some of the mistakes they were making with advertising their sound formats and even supplied some graphics to go with it. Dolby had the much hated triple format logo complete with "verify theatre format" tag. I bitched and ranted about that pretty good.

Now I don't know for certain how much effect the article had on Dolby, but they definitely saw it. Dolby conducted some market research and unveiled an updated logo system in May 1995.

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Joe Redifer
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What's on the cover of that issue? I may have it. And then again I may not. I wouldn't have noticed because I had no clue what a Bobby Henderson was back then.

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Michael Coate
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quote: Joe Redifer
What's on the cover of that issue?

Aladdin (Issue 10) and True Lies (Issue 12).

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William F Green
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We have been experimenting for several months in our UK theatre with BluRay and DVD projection instead of 35mm (all of the last month has been specialised titles on BD & DVD). We've been doing this just in case we don't find a viable way to go to full digital projection, so we wanted to 'test the water' to see if the audience would accept it.

Well they did, and to be honest many DVD's and all BluRay's really do look good enough on our screen - and I'm saying that as a confirmed 35mm man myself. But I can't deny that the image looks just as good or dare I say even better than a typical 35mm release print.

In fact the experiment has been proved so successful that if we were to go down the route of DVD/BluRay projection I'm not sure our audiences would really suffer at all.

It's a shame in a way as 35mm at it's best looks amazing. I saw a preview of 'Soul Surfer' here in the UK last week and unusually for a preview theatre it was on 35mm - and it looked really great, stunning in fact.

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John Wilson
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What model projector are you using for video William?

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Bobby Henderson
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The other difficulty with using Blu-ray or DVD as a theatrical exhibition medium is availability in terms of the legitimate theatrical release. Blu-ray discs and DVDs are typically not made available until the theatrical release has exhausted itself.

BDs and DVDs might be good for art house and revival shows. Even there you have all sorts of legal issues to watch.

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William F Green
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Hi Bobby, your point about availability of titles on media such as DVD or BD is absolutely correct. That IS the major disadvantage rather than any loss of picture/projection quality.

However, and this is what surprised us, we have been showing some mainstream movies 6 months after release on BD and getting good audiences. Admittedly most of our DVD or BD screenings have been on non-mainstream or more specialised titles and we are lucky to have an audience that supports that. Of course this would not work with the Fri-Sat night popcorn audience but playing titles later on BD or DVD is viable for arthouse/late run screens such as ours.

Yes, the legalities are absolutely paramount. I'ts not always easy and takes a bit of planning, but it can be done.

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David M. Leugers
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The past two nights I have watched one film that was shot on digital and the other on film. I viewed them both off a Blu-Ray player onto a 48" HD screen. I did not know how either of them were filmed before I watched the films themselves. To me it was obvious that the one was shot on digital. There is no mistaking the harsh look of the actors, they often look terrible IMHO, not the beautiful close-ups that cinematographers prided themselves on. The film shot on real film was just beautiful in every way. If movies shot on film didn't go through the 2K digital intermediate process, there would be no comparison on the big screen...

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Scott Jentsch
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OK, so I'll ask the obvious question:

Which two movies are you referring to?

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Frank Angel
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Two nights ago we ran WEST SIDE STORY on DVD, not even BluRay and we got a crowd of about 4,500. A Christie 3 DLP chip 15kw projector was used and our Barcos were used to project lyrics for the sing-along thing. Screen was 55ft. It was bright and decent color. Was it film? -- not even close. Did it "work" -- well, when an audience applauds wildly after every song and gives a standing ovation at the end of the movie, you have to say it was a great success. Did they complain about the soft look or the less than ideal color rendition? Not a one. So you always have to add the human factor in any discussion of format comparisons.

Would this be acceptable for a critical audience in a screen room, of course not. Was it acceptable in an outdoor screening in a park under the stars where people were there to enjoy an old classic that they were already familiar with and had great affection for to begin with? No question, it was a success all around.

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Claude S. Ayakawa
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Frank, the Blu-Ray version of WEST SIDE STORY was just announced and there will be two editions. I forgot exactly what the content will be in the two different versions but the more pricier set will come in a box with a book and some other stuff. Unlike the special edition of THE TEN COMMANDMENTS that came with a 2nd BD with additional program material the standard version did not include, I believe both disc set of WSS will be exactly the same with the same content so I am planning to buy buy the regular set. I first saw WEST SIDE STORY during a matinee showing on new years eve on December 31, 1961 in 70mm at the Grauman's Chinese Theatre during it's premiere road show engagement and loved the movie ever since.

-Claude

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Tom Petrov
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We have West Side Story playing in 70MM here in Toronto

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Joe Redifer
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I do not understand why people clap at movies. I think this has been discussed before. But the "performers" can not hear nor appreciate your admiration by your applause after the movie. This is a fairly recent trend, too. Recent as in the last 10 years. Now people clap at every movie they like. Before a decade or so ago, it was very rare. I wonder, do the same people clap at their televisions? What is the purpose of the clap? I can understand at a live event, but a pre-recorded one?

People are very strange.

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Bobby Henderson
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Yeah, I agree it seems like a recent phenomenon. Here locally I remember crowds applauding Transformers when the credits began.

I have only seen this sort of thing previously at some key screenings of movies in New York City. Usually someone attached to the movie production was present. The applause was directed at them. Somehow certain movie goers took this practice over to regular screenings.

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