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Author Topic: 3-D TV, false advertising! Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-10-2010 10:40 PM                        quote: Julio Roberto 65" 3D TV's are around the corner. Just sit pretty close to them. Not big enough. We have a 55" at home and I was watching it this afternoon and thinking about this issue. To me the only way 3-D would be fun to watch would be if the screen covered all (or most of) the wall, and the room was pitch dark. The way it is in a movie theatre.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-11-2010 03:16 AM                     Course, as with HD-TV, the larger those 3D TV screens get, you're gonna face the resolution factor. We don't have that all large of a front room, so we only have a 37inch 1080i unit and just by watching it, it's plenty big for the two of us. Now, if you have a castle of a 'great room' one might have to look into projection viewing on a 100inch plus rolldown screen.  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 03-11-2010 05:29 AM                    Hmmmm ... the "resolution factor"? Theaters use a resolution of 1998x1080 (or 2048x857) and they cover "hundreds of inches of screen" ... At home, you have 1920x1080 (if you "pan and scan a film" or watch Avatar, i.e.) and usually cover less field of view. Movie theaters MAY have a "resolution factor" problem, not in the house ... unless you try to replicate the exact same conditions (angular perceived size) than in the theater with a large screen and sitting closer and then both have about the same "resolution factor". Resolution in 2K (specially 3D) and HD (blu-ray) are NOT significantly different in resolution or "quality" at all (if the blu-ray is well made and the 3D DCP is your common ~100GB stuff). But, if you must, you can also buy 70" LCD $creens today, so I'm sure some of them will be turned 3D compatible soon, like this 120hz Sony: Sony BRAVIA XBR KDL-70XBR7 70-Inch 1080p 120Hz With the "emergency exit" illuminated sign at home, I'm not sure there is a solution to getting the room completely dark in spite of flicking the switch ... so much better in the theater I watch 3D all the time at home on a 72"-wide (roll down) screen and, believe me, it's plenty fun (I just sit a bit closer than I do in 2D). We may not be all-there at home until flat TV's over 70" become common, but we'll get there sooner than later.  |  IP: Logged Hillary Charles Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 748 From: York, PA, USA Registered: Feb 2001 posted 03-11-2010 03:36 PM                     I know it's been mentioned that 3D advertising has always been misleading, but back in the day, in addition to breaking the borders, whatever came out of the screen could actually cast a shadow in the cinema!  |  IP: Logged Ron Curran Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 504 From: Springwood NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2006 posted 03-11-2010 07:22 PM                        Yes, and with the unremovable 3D claim in tralers and unqualified 3D promotion on posters our cinema could be sued as well. its time to mortgage the house again to instal dci 3D. Perhaps we should wait for the US blu-ray 3D release, book the print, buy the disc and modify our e-cinema system to show it in 3D.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 03-11-2010 07:58 PM                        The illustration Hillary had posted was from THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LASGOON (1954) and REVENGE OF THE CREATURE which were both released in dual projection Natural Vision 3-D in the fifties. The only misleading part of the ad made it look like the movies were in scope and the shadow. The 3-D films I saw at the Liberty Theatre in Honolulu were projected in 1.33:1. There was a third "Creature" film, THE CREATURE WALKS AMONG US but that one was released in 2-D only. In a way the ad was correct because there were several segments in the film where the creature was shown swimming directly towards you. Now that the television hardware manufacturers will be releasing 3-D HD sets as well as Blu-Ray players that will be capable of 3-D playback, there is a tremendous amount of films from the fifties I want to see in 3-D again at home. such as HOUSE OF WAX, KISS ME KATE, HONDO, DIAL M FOR MURDER, INFERNO, FORT TI, THE MAZE, THOSE REDHEADS FROM SEATTLE, SANGAREE and so many others. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 03-11-2010 09:55 PM                     ...and those two "3 Stooges" shorts, "Spooks" and "Pardon my Backfire (1953) that Columbia did in 3D during this era.  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 03-11-2010 10:47 PM                    Claude, Many of the 3D films (and shorts) from the 50's have been available in 3D video format in the polarized-compatible field sequential system for a long time (since early 80's), albeit either illegally (bootlegs) or only in certain countries (Japan, most notoriously). Some of the russian 3D films from the 50's on are also around. They used too much hyperstereo in the Return of the Creature for my liking, so I preferred the first one. Both were good. You would've had a blast in the 3D expos that Jeff Joseph run in Los Angeles a couple of years back. They showed virtually all the 3D stuff shot in the 50's in their original dual-35mm format (some 50 titles or so among both events). There were a couple of films I had not seen in 3D before and some 3D shorts I had not seen at all. Most 3D films from the 50's are rather dull, though. Of course, there are a handful of truly worthit ones on their own, like House of Wax or Dial M. Many others have aged too much. Some of the musicals or comedies are, well, always welcomed. But a lot of the drama, horror, some of the westerns and some of the "sci-fi" was pretty lame. Some thrillers were ok. Some, not (like the dreadful Flight to Tangier).  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 03-11-2010 11:45 PM                        Julio, Yes, I was aware of the 3-D film festival held at the Egyptian Theatre several years ago and wish I could have taken off from work and flew to LA to attend the showings. By the time all of the quality stuff were first released to theatres such as KISS ME KATE, DIAL M FOR MURDER, HONDO and a few later ones, only a few cities such as Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York and a few other large markets presented them in 3-D.. Honolulu was not one of those cities These were big pictures and had their first showings here at either the Kuhio or the Waikiki (Later Waikiki #3) in glorious 2-D! -Claude  |  IP: Logged Joe Tommassello Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 547 From: Coatesville, PA, USA Registered: Jan 2008 posted 03-12-2010 11:16 AM                  Claude - it would have been nice if you could have made it there. I was fortunate enough at the time to be able to attend. One of the titles I was most interested in seeing - and enjoyed the most - was "Dangerous Mission" with Victor Mature and Vincent Price. I had an IB 16mm print of that at one time and liked it flat and the IB Technicolor was phenomenal. The print shown at the Egyptian was an original IB print (actually TWO original IB prints) and didn't disappoint. I hope to see that on blu-ray some day. I emailed George Feltenstein at Warner Brothers and asked if they were preparing their classic 3D catalog for BR release and never heard back. Rumors are that Dial M For Murder is being released on BR later this year. No word yet on if the 3D version is part of the plan.  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 03-12-2010 12:23 PM                     > and enjoyed the most - was "Dangerous Mission" I love this little film. Irwin Allen manages to get an avalanche, forest fire, and chase across the glaciers into this 75 minute film, along with a good story. A young Piper Laurie is HOT, hard to believe that just 20 years later she would play Carrie's Mother in Carrie. The 3D photography is excellent, although as Joe says, it also plays well in 2D. One of my life goals is to stay at the Many Glaciers Hotel in Glacier National Park, where most of the film was shot. Dangerous Mission Trailer Inferno was my second favorite title from those shows. I know the person who located and put together most of the 35mm left/right pairs that were used in those 3D Expo showings, and privately got to see most of them before they permanently left the east coast. The problem for Bluray is that the studios tend to feel that only the major well known titles will sell, and they have no interest in the many lesser, but excellent other titles. In addition, I have been told that back in the late 1990's, Paramount implemented an "asset protection program", which included cutting the best sections from their left/right negatives into one negative for DVD transfer, and disposing of the left overs. If this is so, we will never see any video of the 1950's Paramount 3D titles in 3D, or at least not with good quality.  |  IP: Logged Jack Theakston Master Film Handler Posts: 411 From: New York, USA Registered: Sep 2007 posted 03-12-2010 12:50 PM                     Claude: the Creature films were shot for flat (1.85) widescreen, so that advertisement is not all that misleading. Of course, it was during the transitional phase of widescreens entering the movie theater, so likely what you saw was an open matte presentation. Mitch: the "asset protection" program was a rumor. When we did the second Expo, Paramount was nice enough to print up several titles from the camera negs including SANGAREE and REDHEADS FROM SEATTLE.  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 03-12-2010 02:42 PM                    I enjoyed Inferno better than Dangerous Mission or Second Chance. Jeff, Bob, Danniel and the rest of the guys did a great job putting together prints of almost lost 3D films. Too bad a few of them only have parts surviving in 3D. Hope somebody does the same for the asian's old titles (chinese/japanese/indian) films before it's too late. Some of the early european ones are also hanging from a rope. BTW, anybody knows if the 50's stuff from Japan like Tobidashita Nichiyobi (飛び出した日曜日, 1953) or Kettō (決闘) survive in 3D?  |  IP: Logged Jack Theakston Master Film Handler Posts: 411 From: New York, USA Registered: Sep 2007 posted 03-12-2010 02:55 PM                     The Toho titles have been preserved by Toho. Don't know about the Chinese films. The Italian films are supposedly in the worst condition. Generally speaking, the foreign stuff from that era that I have seen is not particularly well shot.  |  IP: Logged Julio Roberto Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 938 From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain Registered: Oct 2008 posted 03-12-2010 03:12 PM                    Good to know. Since Starks relocated to China I guess he kept an eye out for those. I enjoyed stuff like Duo Notte, Turco Napolitane or Ulysses, but some of the stuff is on the brink. When Eddie Sammons was living in Spain writing his book on 3D titles, we met several times trying to uncover some of the spanish and south american titles. During work, I was allowed to keep a telecine of the 92's expo Stereovision spanish short "Relieve Navarro" which I often don't see listed in the 3D lists and that french film from Futuroscope 3D safari.  |  IP: Logged

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