Film-Tech Cinema Systems
Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE


  
my profile | my password | search | faq & rules | forum home
  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Film-Tech Forum ARCHIVE   » Community   » The Afterlife   » 3-D TV, false advertising! (Page 3)

 
This topic comprises 3 pages: 1  2  3 
 
Author Topic: 3-D TV, false advertising!
Claude S. Ayakawa
Film God

Posts: 2738
From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA
Registered: Aug 2002


 - posted 03-12-2010 07:00 PM      Profile for Claude S. Ayakawa   Author's Homepage   Email Claude S. Ayakawa   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Jack,

You had mentioned Toho. I was not aware the Japanese were making 3-D films because the Kukusai Gekijo (Daie), Nippon (Shochiku & Toho) and Toyo (Toei) theatres in Honolulu were showing all the films they brought in in regular 2-D. If the Russians and other were making 3-D films, I am sure the Japanese did too. The Liberty Theatre where I saw almost all of my 3-D films had a standard screen and was one of the last theatres in Consolidated's circuit to get it.. By the time I saw the last film there in 3-D (THE REVENGE OF THE CREATURE), the house still had the standard screen.

-Claude

 |  IP: Logged

Jack Theakston
Master Film Handler

Posts: 411
From: New York, USA
Registered: Sep 2007


 - posted 03-12-2010 08:41 PM      Profile for Jack Theakston   Email Jack Theakston   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Claude, the two Toho films are THE SUNDAY THAT STOOD OUT (飛び出した日曜日) and I AM MARKED (私は狙われている). I don't know much about them other than I think they were both released on 4/22/1953, and that they may have been shot in 16mm and blown up to 35mm.

The next month, Shochiku Co., Ltd. released DUEL (決闘).

Have you written any articles about the movie-going experience in Hawaii during the '50s? I find stuff like that fascinating.

 |  IP: Logged

Mike Blakesley
Film God

Posts: 12767
From: Forsyth, Montana
Registered: Jun 99


 - posted 03-12-2010 09:08 PM      Profile for Mike Blakesley   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Blakesley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Ron Curran
unremovable 3D claim in tralers and unqualified 3D promotion on posters
I trim that crap out of trailers and cover it up on posters. Sometimes it takes a little experimenting but it usually works. Of course people still think the movies are in 3-D because of all the TV ads.

 |  IP: Logged

Julio Roberto
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 938
From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2008


 - posted 03-13-2010 02:48 PM      Profile for Julio Roberto     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Monte L Fullmer
Course, as with HD-TV, the larger those 3D TV screens get, you're gonna face the resolution factor.
[Wink]

quote:

DVB-T2: RAI Research Demonstrates Full 4K Digital Cinema Quality On Terrestrial Channels

Now that HDTV is becoming a commercial reality, the research labs of the broadcasting and consumer electronic industries are exploring future TV formats capable of providing an even more immersive and captivating experience for the viewer.

The most innovative project in this domain is the Super High Vision (SHV) project from the Japanese public broadcaster, NHK, which offers an outstanding user experience with the so-called 8K format, which delivers a picture resolution of 7680 x 4320 pixels, equal to 16 times that of today’s HDTV.

At IBC 2008 NHK, RAI and the BBC demonstrated the delivery of 8K SHV pictures via satellite using DVB-S2 technology (‘Super Future - DVB-S2 Enables 140 Mbps Super Hi-Vision by Satellite at IBC 2008’, DVB-SCENE No. 27).

In the last two years, a clear trend in the increase of display dimensions and resolution has been noticeable at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. Several leading CE manufacturers have presented prototype fat screen displays with 4K resolution and dimensions of 60 to 180 inch diagonal.

In September 2009, in the framework of its eightieth year anniversary celebrations, the RAI Research Centre demonstrated the live transmission of 4K video over a digital terrestrial channel in the Turin area. Why 4K resolution? This is the highest quality format currently used for digital cinema, and is also the ideal resolution for the largest display we would dare to hang on a living room wall (i.e., 80 to 100cm high) without raising too many objections from our partners.

This is also the maximum resolution we can afford on a digital terrestrial channel using today’s most advanced technologies with MPEG-4 picture coding and the DVB-T2 transmission format.

For this purpose, a twelve minute 4K video clip was specially produced by the RAI Production Centre in Turin using a mix of artistic and real-life shots in Turin.

Shooting and Post Production

While 4K production for cinema is not revolutionary, it is for television. The purpose of the 4K production at RAI was to explore the typical conditions for television production in the feld, employing TV professionals limited to short production times in mostly uncontrolled environments typical of live scenes.

A Red One, 4K format camera (4096 x 2304 pixel at 25 frames/s in progressive scan), with mounted Angenieux zoom-lenses (HR 25-250 T3.5 and 17-102 T2.9 models) was used for the shoot. The Red One is equipped with a 12 Mpixel Bayer sensor (same size as Super 35mm format) and the video signal is compressed with JPEG2000 technology at 288 Mbit/s and stored on embedded hard disk drives. For monitoring purposes only an HD version live signal (1280 x 720p50) was available to the camera operators and the artistic assistants.

The post production was performed in two stages: after capture, the video material was offine post produced and edited with special effects in HD format (1920 x 1080) using an Avid Media Composer. The project was then imported onto the Avid DS platform for colour grading (correction) and conforming (fnalisation) and applied to the 4K native material. A signifcant amount of time was required for final rendering.

Encoding & Transmission

For delivering the content, state-of-the-art technologies were required for encoding, transmission, decoding and display. Therefore, the choice was the newly born DVB-T2 standard which provides suffcient capacity to deliver 4 HDTV (1920 x 1080) signals in a terrestrial UHF channel. This is equivalent to an aggregate resolution of 3840 x 2160, which is actually very similar to the resolution provided by the Red One 4K camera. So, after scaling from 4096 x 2304 to 3840 x 2160 pixels with 25 Hz progressive scanning, the resulting video clip was then split into four full-HDTV (1920 x 1080) streams, each one software encoded using H.264 technology (High Profle Level 4). The four 1920 x 1080 streams resulting from the encoding were then multiplexed to produce a multiprogram Transport Stream.

Different confgurations of useful bit rates were produced - 36 and 45 Mbit/s. Particular attention was taken to maintain the synchronisation of the streams throughout the whole end-to-end chain in order to make the 4-quadrant splitting of the picture undetectable on screen. In the near future, the use of H.264 with High Profle Level 5.1, currently under testing, will be capable of handling the “...the 4K production format opens the possibility of making high value productions, such as sports, dramas and documentaries in the best possible quality...”

Gino Alberico and Daniele Airola Gnota, RAI-Radiotelevisione Italiana, R&D Department

I guess we need to start moving to Japan to see those 8K transmissions or to Italy for the paltry 4K. It's funny how they call 4K "cinema quality" and yet here we are still with 2K projectors other than Sony's ...

 |  IP: Logged

Ron Curran
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 504
From: Springwood NSW Australia
Registered: Feb 2006


 - posted 03-14-2010 12:22 AM      Profile for Ron Curran   Author's Homepage   Email Ron Curran   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Mike, we do cover most of the irrelavent 3D guff on displays but trailers are a different matter.
Our standard form of contract with distributors in Australia prohibits the alteration of materials which are the property of the film company (except when you buy the dvd when you can bugger it up as much as you like).
We are actually breaking the rules if we remove an id frame.
However, I admire your editing skills. The in-your-face 3D promo is usually near but not at the end of the trailer, so the music/dialog plays over.

 |  IP: Logged

Frank Angel
Film God

Posts: 5305
From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999


 - posted 03-14-2010 08:59 AM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Julio Roberto
Or get a 3D home projector (or a pair of 2D ones).

Julio, this is what I intend to do. My question is, how does one separate the Left eye and Right eye signals from the HDMI output, or will 3D BluRay players have dual outputs, one for each eye. Dual projectors makes the most sense to me, in that 1) you get twice the brighness and 2) you can use polarization so that you don't need expensive active shutter glasses. It would be nice if the system could double flash in a way that will leave both left eye and right eye images on the screen at the same time. Right now I take it that the output is designed for alternating frame, albeit multiple times. If both images stayed on the screen together, it would avoid the temporal displacement that some people cannot tolerate very well, and add to the apparant brightness. Sure would be nice it the BluRay players could select all that stuff on a simple on screen menu.

My screen will be ten foot across, and with the lights out, I expect it to be as impressive as my local theatre presentation, only brighter. [thumbsup]

 |  IP: Logged

Julio Roberto
Jedi Master Film Handler

Posts: 938
From: Madrid, Madrid, Spain
Registered: Oct 2008


 - posted 03-14-2010 09:47 AM      Profile for Julio Roberto     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
With on of the 3D-enabled home projectors, it's just a matter of shooting up to a white screen with shutter glasses.

But with dual projection polarized on a silver screen, you'll have to wait until someone comes out with a demultiplexer external box, as I don't think any of the 3D blu-ray players are implementing dual HDMI ouput. But some models in the future may, as blu-ray player manufacturer's are aware this is a desired feature by some clients and they have hinted it as one option.

When/if any of those options come out, they'll hopefully include dual-frame output buffers for keeping both eyes in sync.

Meanwhile, you could just do an in-house demultiplexer with a computer, but it would require bypassing the HDCP protection, which may be illegal in some countries. Just use software like AnyDVD to move the audio/video streams from the blu-ray disc to your PC, demultiplex the streams with freeware software and use the cheap stereoscopic player to route the outputs to dual DVI/HDMI video cards (plenty of cheap ones in the market today). That will keep both eyes in sync. The solution is under $150/$300 depending on what PC you already have. Or free if you already have the software/hardware needed.

 |  IP: Logged



All times are Central (GMT -6:00)
This topic comprises 3 pages: 1  2  3 
 
   Close Topic    Move Topic    Delete Topic    next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:



Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classicTM 6.3.1.2

The Film-Tech Forums are designed for various members related to the cinema industry to express their opinions, viewpoints and testimonials on various products, services and events based upon speculation, personal knowledge and factual information through use, therefore all views represented here allow no liability upon the publishers of this web site and the owners of said views assume no liability for any ill will resulting from these postings. The posts made here are for educational as well as entertainment purposes and as such anyone viewing this portion of the website must accept these views as statements of the author of that opinion and agrees to release the authors from any and all liability.

© 1999-2020 Film-Tech Cinema Systems, LLC. All rights reserved.