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Topic: 4K at home next year (2016) Dolby HDR also coming
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Daniel Schulz
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From: Los Angeles, CA USA
Registered: Sep 2003
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posted 01-09-2016 09:48 PM
quote: Bobby Henderson
I kind of wonder if there isn't some sort of agenda going on against regular 2160p TV sets. The emerging UltraHD Blu-ray format will be the best playback platform to show off 4K in the home. But some people and certain big technology companies really hate anything involving physical media. So maybe if they poo poo UHD and tell consumers they don't need it and just wait for HDR it might derail that new Blu-ray format. Never mind the fact consumers are still going to need something like an UltraHD Blu-ray player in order to play movies with HDR imagery. Or do these tech press people and certain tech companies expect consumers to stream HDR in 720p?
I think a couple of things have happened behind the scenes. The technologists and also some creatives have for awhile wanted to move past the original 1080p standard, which was an extension of the 1080i standards developed for broadcast HDTV. That process started a *long* time ago, so there has long been a recognition that with improved compression schemes and the help of Moore's Law, a *much* better experience can be delivered.
Meanwhile the TV manufacturers have been pushing 4K, because 3D was such a flop - they needed *something* to convince consumers to upgrade their TVs. So, the people pushing for the next-generation video standards adopted the 3840X2160 pixel array, since that was where the TV manufacturers had already landed. But the timing of all of this is very unfortunate, since as was noted upthread the 4K sets that people have been buying for the last 2 years don't have the capabilities that are being built into UHD Blu Ray (and are being proposed for the next generation of HDTV broadcasts with the ATSC 3.0 standard being drafted).
Oh, and I do think you'll see HDR streaming. I'd be wiling to bet Netflix will be pushing it, and probably Amazon as well.
TL; DR I don't think it's all a genuine conspiracy, just a lot of different companies all pushing the state of the art forward and not everything arriving at the same time...
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Scott Jentsch
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posted 01-11-2016 11:47 AM
quote: Jesse Skeen
The UHD format doesn't support 3D, yet a large percentage of the initial titles are 3D movies. No thanks.
It's unfortunate that the format isn't supporting 3D, but I have to believe that it's the economic reality that 3D home video just hasn't taken hold and for it to have been dropped, it must be deemed insignificant to the format's partners.
I have several 3D movies on Blu-ray (22 according to my records), but I rarely watch them in 3D. Its absence on UHD doesn't really bother me all that much, but I can sympathize with your position.
quote: Steve Guttag
I'm not convinced that the world really wants another disc based storage medium. People are definitely moving away from storing things on bits of plastic.
I like having physical media. I like having something that I know will play when I want to play it. Over the holidays, this position was reinforced as my wife really wanted to watch The Queen (with Helen Mirren). It's not at Redbox, local stores don't carry catalog titles like this, and it was too late to get it on blu-ray from Netflix.
Checked Netflix streaming. Nope. Vudu and Amazon Instant Video had it, and I already had Amazon set up on my player, so I rented it, and started playback.
And almost immediately, was struck with the dreaded "buffering" symbol, and a stutter-start, followed by a warning message that my Internet connection was too slow to continue playback. Tried again, this time I was able to watch about five seconds of the movie in some really bad SD before the same message popped up.
Checked my Internet speed. 36 Mbps down, 6 Mbps up. Not a problem there. My PS3 is hard-wired, so it wasn't a Wifi problem.
Thinking that maybe the app on the PS3 was the culprit, I pulled the Amazon Fire TV Stick from the TV upstairs and tried that.
That worked better, with just a warning that my low speed would cause the playback to be in SD. It started to play in SD (streaming SD is not something anyone should be subjected to on a large screen), and then it eventually shifted into HD and the rest of the movie played fine.
That whole process of failure, testing, failure, workaround, and success, took 10-15 minutes, all while the family was waiting to enjoy the movie. I spent much of the movie waiting for the stupid buffering message to come back and planning what I was going to do if it did.
Streaming is great as a TV replacement (streaming equivalent of channel surfing, looking for something to watch when bored), because if it doesn't work, I'll just do something else. But when I want to watch a movie, I want to see it in the best quality possible, and with the least amount of fiddling possible.
Was it the app in the PS3? Was it a temporary glitch in Time Warner's routes to Amazon's servers? Was it an issue with the particular Amazon server that the app was trying to access? Maybe some setting in my router that I could change to make the stream more reliable? My family didn't care, and I certainly didn't want to try to figure that out.
With a shiny plastic disc, I could just pop it in, and get to enjoying the movie.
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Jonathan Goeldner
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posted 01-12-2016 01:46 PM
LIONSGATE ANNOUNCES FIRST 4K ULTRA HD BLU-RAY™ RELEASES
SICARIO, THE LAST WITCH HUNTER, ENDER'S GAME AND THE EXPENDABLES 3 WILL NOW BE AVAILABLE FOR THE FIRST TIME ON ULTRA HD BLU-RAY DISCS
SANTA MONICA, CA, January 12, 2016 - Lionsgate (NYSE:LGF), an industry leader in the marketing and distribution of packaged media and digital entertainment, announced today the arrival of its first four home entertainment releases presented in state-of-the-art 4K Ultra HD (UHD) resolution. Sicario, The Last Witch Hunter, Ender's Game, and The Expendables 3 will be available March 1, 2016, timed to Ultra HD Blu-ray players' market availability.
In addition to 4K UHD resolution which offers 4x the resolution of conventional HD, the new high-impact discs pack even more of a visual punch with High Dynamic Range (HDR) imagery available on television sets supporting HDR. HDR provides a dramatic improvement in brilliance, contrast and breadth of colors that must truly be experienced to be believed. The combination of 4K Ultra HD with HDR provides a more vivid and realistic visual experience than ever before.
For optimal sound quality, the discs for the critically acclaimed box-office success Sicario, Ender's Game and The Expendables 3 feature next-generation object-based Dolby Atmos audio, while The Last Witch Hunter delivers cinematic audio with advanced, object-based DTS:X™ Audio.
"As we were with Blu-ray, we are proud to again be at the forefront of a new format and excited to offer consumers the highest quality home viewing experience possible with the 4K disc being the premiere showcase," said Ron Schwartz, President, Home Entertainment. "These four films are uniquely suited to show consumers how incredible this new format can be with a truly immersive experience complementing the new hardware capabilities."
Each 4K UHD release will be packaged with a Blu-ray and Digital HD copy and will contain all previously released special features. Sicario and The Last Witch Hunter will be available at the suggested retail price of $42.99. Ender's Game and The Expendables 3 will be priced at $22.99 SRP.
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Ari Leedsw
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From: Stoughton, MA
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posted 02-19-2016 04:05 PM
I think this whole phenomenon is a joke.
There are still major network TV shows that are only shot in 2K, films mastered in 2K, projectors at only 2K (that's how I saw Star Wars - don't worry, I was theatre hopping, not a paying customer).
Also, the small size of the screens it is really hard to see anyway. My 1080 set and BluRay player are just fine.
35mm prints for anything else.
This whole industry seems to do everything bass ackwards. Samen nonsense with 3D, make the sets without any content!
If they were smart they would have paid the TV shows, movies, and post houses for the extra storage and ensured 4K masters FIRST, instead of bringing out sets and players with nothing to screen on them.
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Ari Leedsw
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posted 02-20-2016 09:32 AM
Jonathan Goeldner:
You're trying to paint a contrary point of view that I have.
I don't.
4K is a great resolution, for theatres.
At home from a distance, it's mostly unnecessary.
I think the standard still is 2K mastering for all TV, rescans of film shows, movies.
I think some DI work is done at 4K. Spielburg has at least since 2010. "The Omen" was in 2006, so there's at least 10 years.
I think it was Fantasia, 1994, 4K remaster. 22 years, almost a quarter century.
I'm not saying 4K is pointless. I'm saying 4K TVs are mostly pointless, and, in light of quality, mostly useless in most home viewing environments.
I still know HD TV owners without HDTV. That stupid streeeeeeeeetch.
Couldn't care less about 3D. Was a gimmick in the '50s, '80s, '90s, and it's a gimmick now. They forced Hitchcock to shoot a movie in 3D, think it was Vertigo?
They used 3D as an excuse to get digital projection in theatres, then forced movies to shoot digitally.
When it comes at the cost of half of the resolution, it's a real jip. At least in the Hitchcock days, there was a camera for left and a camera for right.
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