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Author Topic: 4K at home next year (2016) Dolby HDR also coming Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-22-2016 03:00 PM                     quote: Ari Leedsw LOL where do you put a SIXTY-FIVE INCH SET?!?! I think I have a 36" or a 40". Still only 1080i. My 65" TV set fits just fine in my living room. TV sets these days have ditched the ornate bezels, making the screen real estate extend almost edge to edge. This TV isn't physically any bigger than the 52" Sony Bravia XBR TV I had years ago. That one just had a big, elaborate bezel on it. I could have fit a 75" TV in my living room with space to spare, if I wanted to blow the extra money on it. Huge HDTV sets, even ones with 4K resolution, have reached affordable levels. You'll still have to pay extra for certain bells and whistles, but a good quality TV with 120Hz refresh rate, lots of USB & HDMI connections and plenty of smart TV functions can be had for well under $2000. Some huge TVs even go for under $1000. quote: Ari Leedsw Which kinda gets to my point: Unless you sit very close (like I do) and/or have a huge set, like you do, you can't actually see 4K past a certain distance. The pixel grid is something that shouldn't be visible at a reasonable viewing distance. The imagery ought to appear as a continuous tone image not textured with a Bayer pattern pixel grid. A 4K TV set showing 4K content does that pretty well. Even better, 4K UHDTV sets will be better equipped to fight moiré and other Bayer pattern issues thanks to the much tighter pixel grid. quote: Ari Leedsw As it comes to (at least film-shot) TV shows and movies, you would think/hope that they are scanning in 4K already. Some TV series are indeed shooting, posting and even distributing in 4K. House of Cards is one example. If you have a fast enough Internet connection you can stream it from Netflix in 4K.  |  IP: Logged Ari Leedsw Film Handler Posts: 53 From: Stoughton, MA Registered: Feb 2016 posted 02-22-2016 03:06 PM                     You're getting into the realm of the angular resolution of the human eye if there is too much of a distance and or not enough size on the screen with 4K Same phenomenon as sitting in the back row of the theatre or trying to focus without a set of binocs. So you can have a 4K set, especially a smaller one and be getting essentially zero bang for your buck over a 1080P. There've been a few papers; sorry I don't have a link to one handy at the moment. Will see if I can throw one up today.  |  IP: Logged Scott Jentsch Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1061 From: New Berlin, WI, USA Registered: Apr 2003 posted 02-23-2016 01:26 PM                        Initial impressions from those that have been watching UHD Blu-ray discs is the impact that HDR has on the picture is just as important as the extra resolution. The sample size is quite low, as we only have one player available and a handful of titles from just one studio (Fox), but more releases are coming next week from Sony and Warner Bros., but the general consensus has been very positive so far. As time goes on, the production people are going to get better, which bodes well for the future. Technology has changed quite a bit since the days of 1080i 40-inch sets being the state of the art, and it's not showing any signs of slowing down. With many movies still being limited to 2K because of the production process, the capabilities of consumer equipment is outpacing the capabilities of the source material. Maybe it will be the home market that finally gets the industry to move fully to 4K (and better) production techniques.  |  IP: Logged Ari Leedsw Film Handler Posts: 53 From: Stoughton, MA Registered: Feb 2016 posted 02-24-2016 11:45 AM                     HDR? What matters is white to black ratio, not artificially-pumped-up contrast ratio. They shouldn't toy with dynamic range against what the filmmakers' intended looks are, any more than they should pan and scan 2.35 to 1, more than a decade after widescreen TV became the norm! HDTV (now UHDTV) was supposed to put an END to like this! EDIT: Take this with a large grain of salt, as these are 4K fanboys at work, but the science of the angular resolution of the human eye, coupled with viewing of 4K TV is analyzed in depth here. If you're sitting farther away, than your rated vision permits, you are getting ZERO added benefit from an UHD set. http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/eyesight-4k-resolution-viewing  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 02-24-2016 03:25 PM                     quote: They shouldn't toy with dynamic range against what the filmmakers' intended looks are, any more than they should pan and scan 2.35 to 1, more than a decade after widescreen TV became the norm! The fact that a set can display more than just Rec. 703 doesn't automatically imply it's going to mess with the source material. As a matter of fact, a set capable of displaying HDR will be able to better reproduce most DCI based source material. And maybe there are filmmakers out there that just love to use the possibilities of HDR?  |  IP: Logged Ari Leedsw Film Handler Posts: 53 From: Stoughton, MA Registered: Feb 2016 posted 02-24-2016 06:12 PM                     If the filmmakers want a certain expanded range, it's one thing. Clicking the "HDR" filter for "Minority Report" or "Saving Private Ryan," however, is something else again! They similarly 'ed with "Eyes Wide Shut" taking all the grain out. Like Kubrick shot the entire thing at ISO 2000 and pushed the film two stops by mistake??? Studios should never toy with the filmmaker's finished look, but they do it anyway. Kinda like how FB mobile defaults to "enhanced" (i.e. 'ed with) color saturation whenever you go to upload an image there, the assumption being that people don't color correct their own photos prior to uploading them.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 02-24-2016 09:26 PM                        Most people DON'T color correct their photos before uploading them. Hell, many people upload every picture they shoot; they don't even edit the stack of pics, let alone edit the pics themselves. As to the above debate about picture size and resolution: the average TV watcher doesn't give two craps about resolution. All they care about is the picture must be as big as possible, and that it must fill the screen at all costs. That drives me completely nuts. I can almost never stand to watch a TV in an airport anymore since they're all playing SD content that's image-stretched. For the record we have 50" and 55" TVs at home, and I would like to trade the 50 for a 70 (at least) since that's the one we watch most often, but it's also the newest, so we're probably stuck with it for awhile. We don't watch enough TV to constantly invest in the latest'n'greatest right away when it comes out.  |  IP: Logged

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