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Topic: OPPO Digital Shutting Down
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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 04-10-2018 01:31 PM
One of the reasons why RS232 is not going anywhere is that the logical replacement (IP-based control) requires configuration on both ends (IP address, netmask, default route). Serial is the simplest way to configure this. Also, it can be run for hundreds of feet with good cable, requires only three conductors for minimal functionality, and does not require additional gear (e.g. switches, routers, etc.) to function.
It is also both backwards- and forwards-compatible, which is important for industrial control hardware that generally has a long-ish lifespan. And it can be used over IP with a simple terminal server.
Agreed that the "average consumer" doesn't care about any of this in 2018. Pretty much no one is buying modems, serial mice, or serial printers now.
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Marcel Birgelen
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From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands
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posted 04-12-2018 04:17 PM
The primary reason why I keep my Spotify subscription around is because it allows me to discover some new music from time to time, quite to the difference of the average radio station, which happens to only play the 13-in-a-dozen junk the record studios want to peddle.
The problem with on-line subscriptions is indeed that you never really own it and once somebody pulls a license somewhere, it's gone. So, I still tend to buy the stuff I want to keep.
The problem though is, that this "buy to own" model is fading away. How can you own a copy of a movie, when within now and 5 years, there is no more physical media available for sale and the digital copy you own is only playable using someone else's DRM servers, who might just vanish any time?
Maybe, for sake of consumer rights and preservation, there should always be the possibility to legally own a copy that doesn't expire...
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Carsten Kurz
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From: Cologne, NRW, Germany
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posted 05-10-2018 03:38 PM
It is possible for new discs to revoke playout keys for equipment upon loading, so, that is technically possible to happen even if the player is never connected to the internet. Discs can carry an equipment blacklist.
However, I think they never did it, and it is not very likely to happen, but technically, it is possible. Also, this doesn't revoke content keys, but equipment keys, so, the disc is still mine and can be played back on other equipment. Not that this would make me happy in case my player would actually have been tilted.
- Carsten
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Marcel Birgelen
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posted 05-11-2018 04:06 PM
First off all, anything you ever DOWNLOADED from services offered by the likes of Apple, Microsoft or Amazon which was not explicitly labeled as DRM free, requires an active form of DRM, at the very least if you're going to transfer it from one device to the other. This means: The issuer of the DRM licenses has to actively provide new keys for the new device or otherwise the content will become technically unplayable. If this service went belly up, or they refuse you to issue new keys for whatever reason, you're essentially out of luck.
Any media using Enhanced AACS 2.0 (primarily UHD and HDR content), needs an active Internet connection for the first playback on any device, to load the title key. You won't be able to play the disc on the device, unless this key exchange has happened. If the disc or device is blacklisted or if the license server has gone haywire: No content for you.
The Basic version of AACS 2.0 works without an internet connection. That doesn't mean it's entirely safe though, since several types of licenses can technically still be revoked "off-line". (See Carsten's post.)
Then there is other entertainment that used to be delivered in the form of discs or even "cartridges": Computer games. There is almost no modern game that will work properly without an active Internet connection and this often doesn't just apply to the multi-player part of the game. Even single-player games often are not playable without a constant connection to the mothership.
Off course, there are many tools available to remove DRM from files and media. Technically speaking, those tools are illegal in the U.S. though, even if you only use them to recover the content you actually paid for.
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Scott Jentsch
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From: New Berlin, WI, USA
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posted 05-15-2018 01:27 PM
quote: Steve Guttag
BTW...update on Oppo. We can no longer supply the rackmount for the UDP-203/BDP-103 though they are still showing it for retail so they are down to the last batch (not a huge deal, they fit on a Mid-Atlantic U2 shelf (or equivalent) without issue, just not quite as finished. We did place another multi-unit order without issue for the UDP-203.
I'm still deliberating on whether to take a chance and purchase a -203 before they're gone (the opportunity to get the best player that was made for the format) and not taking the risk of buying into a dead product that won't be supported any longer than the company deems necessary to not cause a firestorm.
At this point, I am watching their refurb page, hoping for one to pop up, but I'm not holding my breath.
quote: Marcel Birgelen
Any media using Enhanced AACS 2.0 (primarily UHD and HDR content), needs an active Internet connection for the first playback on any device, to load the title key. You won't be able to play the disc on the device, unless this key exchange has happened. If the disc or device is blacklisted or if the license server has gone haywire: No content for you.
I do seem to recall hearing about AACS 2.0 Enhanced being a possibility, but after some outcry, basically every studio said that they wouldn't use it (or at least that's how I remember it possibly going).
That seems to have borne out, as I could not find any movies identified as having AACS 2.0 Enhanced protection.
That's not to say that someone couldn't do it at some point in the future, but given that there are hundreds of UHD titles after more than two years of the format's introduction, and nothing has used it yet (and there are no studio holdouts for the format), I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it isn't going to be used.
Studios couldn't figure out how to use the online functionality of Blu-ray to deliver value-added content, so it's difficult to imagine them wanting to support an infrastructure that has the potential to render purchased products unusable. The backlash in the event of problems would be catastrophic in what likely amounts to be a small segment of their business.
Active DRM is one of the three main reasons why I do not purchase streaming content that I wish to keep (the first and second being video and audio quality). I think I've purchased two streaming movies, because they weren't available to rent, I wanted to watch them right then, and they were cheap. Aside from that, streaming is best for TV shows and for movies I wouldn't otherwise have taken the time to get from Netflix DVD-by-mail or purchase on disc.
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