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Author Topic: "Jurassic Park" 25th anniversary (article) Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-24-2018 09:48 AM                     quote: Brad Miller Without the flying disc trailer, reel 1 would not have played in dts. That's just how the timecode was structured until the 4th release (see my previous post). When Jurassic Park and Heart and Souls were playing in theaters it was possible for the original JP discs to sync up and play with a Heart and Souls print since the time code didn't have any title ID data. That goof apparently happened in some theaters where booth operators forgot to switch out the discs. But, yeah, DTS soon corrected the problem. I can't quite place when Universal (and other studios) stopped attaching the original "Digital Experience" trailer to all movie prints with DTS discs/time code. Thru the rest of 1993 and into 1994 I saw a few movies playing here in Lawton (which had zero DTS-equipped screens at the time) with the DTS snipe playing on the front. The distributors left it up to individual theaters to remove the DTS "Digital Experience" trailer if their theater had no DTS screens. Many theaters didn't bother and played the prints as-is. The early 1994 Universal release of The Paper was the last movie I saw here in Lawton with the "Digital Experience" trailer incorrectly run. It's possible/likely that second run of Jurassic Park prints with altered DTS and Dolby logos still had the "Digital Experience" trailer attached to each print. The original DTS snipe only had the disc exploding, no big DTS logo on the second half of it. That part got added in 1994. I saw it for the first time on Speed. I don't know which movie release was the first DTS release encoded to run the separate DTS Stand-alone trailer. Does anyone know if The Crow was the first, or did it have the original "Digital Experience" trailer attached to all prints?  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 07-24-2018 11:32 AM                     What DTS (and Dolby and Sony) should have done with all digital sound trailers was to only have audio in the advertised format. The analog track could have been a voice saying, "This Auditorium is Not Equipped with DTS Digital Sound" or something. With digital cinema, will an Atmos trailer play audio in a non-Atmos auditorium?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-24-2018 11:46 AM                     Jerry, Florian, Sacha - did these SR prints have English audio, or some awful dubbed track?  |  IP: Logged Jerry Axelsson Expert Film Handler Posts: 107 From: Stockholm, Sweden Registered: May 2005 posted 07-24-2018 04:47 PM                     Original (english) track on JP in Sweden as most foreign titles are... They had the DTS logo on reel one without timecode. As for other titles with DTS logo (Same as Jurrasic Park) incl. track and timecode, this was on titles such as "THE GETAWAY" (1994) for example. Came printed on reel 1.  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 07-24-2018 05:51 PM                       I had forgotten that EU prints were handled differently than USA ones, that I would know more about. What date did EU open JP? Later than USA I assume.  |  IP: Logged Jerry Axelsson Expert Film Handler Posts: 107 From: Stockholm, Sweden Registered: May 2005 posted 07-25-2018 01:59 AM                     Sept 1993 in Sweden. About 2,5 months after the US.  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 07-25-2018 03:02 PM                     While I clearly remember one of the two first run print that I ran back then having the Dolby "Spectral Recording" SR logo that Bobby Henderson posted in his first picture above, the picture posted below is from a scrap of the end credits that someone (not me) mangled and left behind with just a regular Dolby Stereo logo.  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 07-25-2018 04:23 PM                       That's the logo I recall from that time and of course we at Dolby were watching carefully to see how DTS handled the trademark issue.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-26-2018 12:28 AM                     Yeah, I think that film frame image might be from the original June 1993 print run. I could have sworn the Digital Experience logo and Dolby SR logo were positioned side by side. But that's trying to remember back 25 years. I do recall seeing a lot of strange looking flavors of the Dolby Stereo logo during that time. Normally the "Dolby Stereo" lettering is set in Eurostile Demi-Bold. But there's nothing to stop someone with a copy of Adobe Illustrator or CorelDRAW making their own home-brew version with the lettering in Eurostile Heavy or Black and then goofing up the Dolby double-D icon for good measure. Oh well. At least I somewhat correctly remembered the odd treatement of the "Digital Experience" logo. Dolby SR was definitely used in other elements of the JP advertising campaign. One example is this image from the June 1993 issue of Premiere magazine. Their summer preview issue had a big gate-fold ad (one of the most elaborate magazine movie ads I've ever seen) for Jurassic Park in the middle. The back page of the ad had this image: I'm guessing the ad was composed by Universal Studios' marketing department some time in advance of the actual release. So they may have just assumed Dolby SR would be used on the optical track. This ad also featured a straight-forward DTS Digital Sound logo, which was really unusual during this time since immediately after the release of Jurassic Park the "Digital Experience" logo became the main branding element for DTS and didn't really change back to the normal DTS logo until late 1994.  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 07-26-2018 03:45 PM                     Yes, the frames above are from the original print run (See Below). Like Bobby, I to remember the other print I ran back then as having the Dolby "Spectral Recording" logo side by side with the DTS logo. Unfortunately, I don't have any scraps from that print to confirm it, and as Michael Coate has pointed out to me on several occasions, my memory from years ago and reality may not always match. The scrap below is from the same print as the scrap from above, the one with the regular Dolby Stereo logo.  |  IP: Logged Sascha F. Roll Expert Film Handler Posts: 140 From: Berlin, Berlin / Germany Registered: Sep 2015 posted 07-26-2018 04:21 PM                     When we played Jurassic Park in 2016 this is what the credits looked like: (English version with german subtitles, print from Universal Germany)  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 07-26-2018 04:44 PM                     Duplicate Post, please delete.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 07-26-2018 05:18 PM                     quote: Lyle Romer With digital cinema, will an Atmos trailer play audio in a non-Atmos auditorium? They can since the basic five channels are still there in the audio for 5.1 use. What gets a little goofy is 7.1 content playing in 5.1 houses, but it's passable. Jurassic Park: First feature to use DTS and it was only 4 channel discrete.  |  IP: Logged Lyle Romer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1400 From: Davie, FL, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 07-26-2018 07:00 PM                     Monte, I meant the trailer that advertises the Atmos system, not a trailer that has an Atmos soundtrack. Upon re-reading the wording wasn't very clear. The original one sheet has the DTS Logo (with barely readable "In Selected Theatres"), not "The Digital Experience" logo above the Dolby SR logo shown in the picture posted by Bobby. Both logos are to the left of the opening date.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-26-2018 07:47 PM                     quote: Monte L Fullmer Jurassic Park: First feature to use DTS and it was only 4 channel discrete. Jurassic Park had two different versions of DTS discs. One version for stereo-matrix auditoriums with no 6-channel capability. The other was definitely a 5.1 mix (3 stage channels, stereo surround and LFE). I heard a lot of different things in that mix which weren't possible with mono-surround. And the dynamic range was far more intense, especially when heard it at the GCC Northpark 1-2 in Dallas.  |  IP: Logged

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