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Kieran Hall
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posted 08-10-2018 07:56 PM

I've not seen the print myself (before my time!), but I've had a trawl through the making-up book archive and it seems we had an SR print of this back in 2010 (indeed with the DTS tag still included, despite the lack of timecode). I'd be sceptical that it was a mis-identified A-type print but the print number was SR115.

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Jesse Skeen
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posted 08-13-2018 06:47 AM

The only prints I saw with attached DTS snipes were from Universal, since they had an interest in the company initially. Most of them also had an attached movie trailer, with the DTS snipe right after that. Speed (from 20th Century Fox) was the first print I saw that had both Dolby Digital and DTS on the same print (don't remember if it also had SDDS.)

The films pictured above are the only way I've seen Jurassic Park on film (the laserdiscs and VHS are also that way), the alternate Dolby logo I've only seen on the DVD and later editions.

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Lyle Romer
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posted 08-13-2018 11:13 AM

quote: Jesse Skeen
Speed (from 20th Century Fox) was the first print I saw that had both Dolby Digital and DTS on the same print (don't remember if it also had SDDS.)

If Speed had Dolby Digital and DTS, I don't think it would have had SDDS. IIRC, Die Hard with a Vengeance was the first "Quad Format" release (SR Analog, Dolby Digital, DTS and SDDS). I don't remember when Universal started doing multiple digital formats.

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Jesse Skeen
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posted 08-18-2018 07:25 PM

Half-Baked added SDDS, and Mercury Rising was their first to have all formats. Oddly Billy Elliot (2000) only had Dolby Digital.

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Michael Coate
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posted 08-24-2018 02:48 PM

quote: Lyle Romer
IIRC, Die Hard with a Vengeance was the first "Quad Format" release (SR Analog, Dolby Digital, DTS and SDDS).

"Die Hard with a Vengeance" (released May 1995) was available in all of the flavors of digital sound at the time but I believe it was a multi-inventory print run. The first true "Quad Format" release (at least in North America) was probably either New Line's "Mortal Kombat" (August 1995) or Fox's "Strange Days" (October 1995).

I recall our own Bobby Henderson writing a lengthy letter-to-the-editor of one of the home theater magazines about this situation during the "Digital Sound Wars."

quote: Lyle Romer
I don't remember when Universal started doing multiple digital formats.

quote: Jesse Skeen
Mercury Rising was [Universal's] first to have all formats.

Prior to "Mercury Rising" (April '98), Universal released "Blues Brothers 2000" (Feb '98), "Kissing A Fool" (Feb '98) and "Primary Colors" (March '98) in Quad Format.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 08-24-2018 10:32 PM

I wrote a big long rant about inaccurate use of sound and film format notation in movie advertising. Dolby’s triple format logo, with the “verify theater format” tag annoyed the hell out of me.

Regarding Strange Days, that one was an odd print. The print I personally examined in 1995 had some reels with quad format tracks while others lacked SDDS data; it was just solid light blue ink on the edges.

Die Hard With A Vengeance definitely had different prints. The SDDS prints were separate from the SRD/DTS prints.

IIRC, Universal’s first movie using SDDS was “The Boxer.” That had DTS and SDDS on the print.

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Peter Castle
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posted 08-25-2018 07:57 AM

I remember "Strange Days". Our two projectors had two digital systems on each - one SDDS/DTS and the other SRD/DTS. While screening "strange Days", we had reels without time codes, without SDDS,... We in fact experienced all four sound systems - the fourth being analog. Thank heavens we only screened movies once.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 08-25-2018 12:20 PM

That sounds worse than the print I saw; that one at least consistently had Dolby Digital data and DTS time code on each reel.

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Michael Coate
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posted 09-13-2018 08:28 PM

Related question: When did Dolby Labs introduce the CP65? I possess some (undated) DTS literature that cites the CP65 (along with the CP200) as being "compatible" with the DTS-6 system in order to play back the discrete six-track two-disc flavor of DTS.

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Steve Guttag
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posted 09-13-2018 09:26 PM

Lonny Jennings (or Sam Chavez) would know...it was right around the when Dolby Digital came out 1992 or thereabouts, I'd think. The CAT441 and CAT443 copyright date might lend some clues too.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 09-14-2018 08:57 PM

Given the fact there's a button on the right edge of the front panel which says "Dolby Stereo Digital," the CP65 would have to be dated to at least 1992 (when the DA-10 started getting sold to movie theaters), if not 1993.

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Lyle Romer
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posted 09-18-2018 07:10 AM

I found this article from "Summer 1991" using the archive.org wayback machine. It is written by none other than Sam Chavez:

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Dolby News--Volume 2, Number 3--Summer 1991

New CP65 Cinema Processor Now In Production
by Sam Chavez
Marketing Manager, Cinema Products
A new Dolby Stereo cinema sound processor, the Model CP65, has just been introduced to replace the CP55. In a familiar, easy-to-operate format, it combines flexibility, high performance, and cost-effectiveness.
The CP65 comes equipped to play all current 35 mm analog optical formats, including both regular Dolby Stereo and Dolby Stereo SR release prints. It has also been designed as an ideal interface/ control unit for playback of the six-channel digital soundtrack on Dolby Stereo SRD prints, and may be optionally fitted for automatic sound format selection on prints with Dolby edge code.
The CP65 incorporates such basic features of previous Dolby cinema processors as one-third-octave screen speaker equalization and an emergency bypass circuit with its own power supply. New features include:

Built-in Dolby SR in addition to Dolby A-type for processing Dolby Stereo SR prints as well as regular Dolby Stereo prints.
Six-channel input and fader to optimize interface with the Dolby DA10 decoder for digital playback of Dolby Stereo SRD prints
Special output summing left, center, and right channels for auxiliary sound systems for the hearing impaired.
Optional edge code reader on the backplane for automatic sound format selection on prints with Dolby edge code.
The CP65 can also be optionally equipped with two additional channels of A-type NR for processing standard Dolby Stereo 70 mm magnetic (format 42). However, it cannot decode the separate surround tracks on stereo surround Dolby Stereo 70 mm prints (format 43, requiring the Dolby CP200).

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Sam D. Chavez
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posted 09-18-2018 10:21 AM

Sounds like me. Funny what one recalls, or not.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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posted 10-04-2018 10:49 PM

I recently watched the 4K streaming version on Vudu and was VERY impressed with the new transfer. While the 3D conversion a few years was quite good, that image is marred with boosted skin coloring bordering on excessive pinkish tinting. Here though it's dialed down considerably. Can't say I can comment on the audio as I was listening to this in 5.1, am looking forward to hearing the new DTS-X 11-channel mix in the near future.

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