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Gordon McLeod
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When do we get closeups of the machine?
Who actually made it

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Gordon McLeod
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Well here is a link to the manufacturer
does the machine realy work?
The Ultra70 rolling loop did work but this is different http://www.advancedimagesystems.com/home.html

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Does this thing really work? How is it on film? Is the booth at a slight positive pressure to keep dust out? Who made the screen surface and is it flat or curved?

There are two 8perf LF systems near me and both are suffering from the matte white blues and they are WAY underlamped. Just way too dim.

Gord, I don't think that CFS is manufacturing the Ultra 70 machine anymore. I doubt that they made that much of it anyway cept for the lamphouse. Someone else that had brains had to make the critical parts anyway. CFS could have never handled that without major problems. No one there ever had any brains. I guess they went off to see the Wizard.....
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Gordon McLeod
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Well since inquireing minds seem interested in large format here is the patent to the Maverick planar loop system
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Interesting design but I can spot one or two potential problems with this beast
How is the one in the field running now?

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Adam Martin
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6120151 System and Method for Transporting Film ... [13 pages, 860 KB] A system and method are disclosed for transporting film in a motion film projector. The system includes a set of film carriages and a set of secondary shutters mounted on a conveyor.


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Dick Vaughan
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Adam

When I click on your link it takes me to www.dealhunting.com not a patent description on the Maverick film transport mechanism.


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Adam Martin
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Whoops. Fixed it ... I missed a hyphen in the file name. It seems that dealhunting.com is the stupid 404 error page of my host.

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Dave Macaulay
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I've talked to someone who has seen the projector running. It works OK, as far as image steadiness goes. It sounds pretty much the way it looks like it will, loud and with a "stand back" kind of rattliness. He wasn't allowed any inspection or to even look under the hood. the picture was acceptable and the projector is quite compact.
I saw this patent a while ago and I was pretty impressed. It sure has a lot of moving parts!
Imax tried a chain type projector way way back (the prototype used to be kicking around their shop) that didn't really follow the same principle at all (Bill Shaw worked with chains before Imax and it was an early idea) as the chain and gap pieces went around in a sort of squared circle all in the same plane like a flexible rotor rather than the fan-blade motion of the Maverick. It reportedly bever got to 24fps, and made one hell of a noise. Thus was born the rotor.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Certain sections of the Maverik projector seem to me like it would be extremely wear prone unless it is running in an oil bath. Even using super hardened parts, say die hardness, for the guide track and rollers does not seem like it would have a very long life, or that it might need constant adjustment as the track and rollers wear. I can imagine that setting it up and adjusting it would be a real pain, not to mention what would happen if a nasty film pile up occured.

Since the original patent on the rolling loop has expired it seems like if it were more mass produced that cost might come down quite a bit. With Imax demanding such a large part of the action from the sales of tickets alone it seem like its time for something to give in this realm. To me it appears if they don't then more theatres might be following the Edwards route and go 8 perf 70 which IMHO is a total waste of time. I ahve yet to see one 8/70 system that is even half way impressive, or reliable. One exception to that though is the Kinoton DP-75E system with 10kw lamphouse. That is an impressive system but most seem to be going the with inferior equipment and systems.
Mark @ GTS


Its interesting that the 15/70 time lapse camera the Ron Fricke had built for Chronos also used a chain type pull down with pin registration. It also was not able to run up to 24 fps either but I think it did attain 18 fps which in itself is pretty amazing for a chain type pull down on this size format. Running it at say up to 10 fps seems easy though.
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Gordon McLeod
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I know of several of the Ballantyne 8perf machines with different names stuck on them that run flawlessly day in and day out
Mark the price has come down for Rolling Loop machines both Advanced Image (Ultra70) and Iwerks have rolling loop machines available at substanially less money than the classic Imax machine.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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They don't run day in and day out very well here in SLC. The machine here is known as "Mother"
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Gordon McLeod
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That isn't the Ballantyne 8 perf either but a hybrid that uses Ballantyne parts

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John Pytlak
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Bumping to the top re: Ben Wales question on Maverick 70mm 15-Perf Projector

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John Walsh
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It's weird to say, but I think I might the only person posting on this forum that might be able to answer Ben Wales' question!

We have two Maverick projectors, and I think that's all that have been made so far. The first one (installed in Hartford, CT) is about 1 1/2 years old, the other (in Florida) less.

There were concerns with the first projector for about 4 months after installation; Quite simply, it broke down a lot. But, Advanced Image Systems did provide parts and service every time to keep it going. I guess they did have some personnel changes, but the same service guy still always showed up, at the regular planned service times. So, they seem to be handling everything well.

We were satified enough to book and run the Beauty/Beast 15/70 feature. It hasn't missed any shows since we started running it.

It should be noted that the projector design was new, and we were willing to work through any problems that came up. The price is significantly lower than an IMAX; we simply couldn't afford/justify the cost of an IMAX. It would have taked too long to get a payback. And, in hindsight, I think it was the right decision for us.

So, I think if someone is looking into a 15/70 projector, the Maverick is worth looking into. While we had to deal with some problems, it has been refined over time, so the unit someone would get today would probably be very reliable.

I'm sending a picture of it to Brad to post. It was taken during construction of our Hartford, CT theater.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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John,
I doubt that you would have EVER gotten a return on any actual Imax installation. Personally I'm wondering why they didn't go with the rolling loop machine instead of the Maverick? There are several running at different places that have had pretty much 0 problems.
Mark @ GTS

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