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Gordon McLeod
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Actually I scanned the complete manual but it ended up at 26Meg so that was a bit big to email in
In the article on Cinesphere posted a while ago the rotor is clearly visable.
Acording to NFB there are 8 48 FPS machines but where?
Also as to cameras Fries builds a 15 perf (Ultra70) camera as does Iwerks so there is no shortage of cameras (just it appears subject matter)

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Adam Martin
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I see that AIS (the Maverick people) make a 15/70 camera, too.

I am pretty sure that Sony Lincoln Square (NYC) is 48fps-capable.

I mentioned the 12k because the Detroit Science Center just re-opened with a new 15k lamphouse that almost doesn't fit in their doghouse. I forgot about the 4k and had absolutely no idea there was a 7k classic!



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Brad Miller
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Gord, email the manual to manuals@film-tech.com That account will accept that sized file no problem.

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Dave Macaulay
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Lincoln Square:
This machine is the absolute scariest bugger ever made by Imax while I was there. It was supposed to do everything, including 48fps 3D. It has the world's largest platter unit (2 hours at 48fps if I recall correctly) and that has only been used regularly as a lunch table as far as I know.
Although it does have 48fps cams and the technical possibility to do it, it was never successfully run at 48 during manufacture or testing. The fervent hope was that Sony never actually ask for it to do so. Maybe they did, I pity the techs who had to try and make it work if so. BTW, these cams make it an absolute bugger to thread the lower rotor deck.
In the original design that projector was supposed to do mixed 24/48fps projection, yes that means running 24 and instantly going to 48 for action sequences or whatever and then back to 24 during a show. Only a truly demented marketing stooge with carte blanche to promise anything necessary to get a deal could have made this one up. Naturally it never did it, but I think the contract required it to with something like more money and 6 months notice.

I can't think of where 48fps capable systems might be other than Hull and OP - ?

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Jeffry L. Johnson
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"Transitions" was the IMAX 3-D film at EXPO 86 in Vancouver.
http://cmm.nfb.ca/E/titleinfo/index.epl?id=16253& expr=${transitions}&sid=7a945a5c5739afda0ab16870b2e6478d&recherche=&coll=onf

"Momentum" was the 48fps IMAX film at EXPO 92 in Seville.
CLICK HERE

The NFB and Giant-Screen Filmmaking http://www.nfb.ca/E/4/2/imax.html


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Adam Martin
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By popular demand ... (please forgive the crudeness )

The above image is an animated gif, so Joe needs to turn on his animations.

As the film enters the projector at the input sprocket, a burst of air "encourages" the film to form a loop in the rotor gap. The gap is actually a "pocket" in the rotor, so that it also acts as a shutter.

As the loop approaches the aperture block, it increases in size to 15 perfs (1 frame).

As it reaches the aperture block, the cam pins retract and return, "catching" the tail of the loop and decelerating the film. This aligns the perfs with the registration pins as the loop rolls across the face of the field lens, where it is sucked into place against the registration pins and projected.

A flicker shutter passes across the light field and the same frame is projected again (the same effect as the bow-tie shutter in a 35mm projector).

After the next frame is rolled across the field lens, the loop gradually diminishes in size as it exits the projector via the output sprocket.

The film is not moved in an intermittent movement, but is looped and rolled by the rotor through the projector. Imax calls this a "rolling loop". Iwerks calls this a "lateral loop" because it is a horizontally moving loop (and Imax used "rolling loop" first).

Incredibly over-simplified, but there it is.

For GT-3D, take two rotors, stack them on top of each other, and lock them together with a 11.25-degree offset. The right eye projects while the flicker shutter passes the left eye.

For SR-3D, take two projectors and interlock them with a PLC.



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Gordon McLeod
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Good animation one error though the cam does not register or hold the film but its purepose is to actually decelerate the loop as it approaches the apperture block and the fixed registraton pins.
Its timing is criticle to a stable image and print life as well

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Adam Martin
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Previous post corrected.

Gord: Now that makes more sense than what I was seeing. I was seeing the cam pins as a "holdback" so the loop could enlarge, but now I can see it catching the tail of the loop to allow the film to align with the registration pins on the aperture block. If I pull back the stator and turn the rotor by hand, I see the registration pins are holding back rather than the cam pins.

Wow ... that's two days in a row I learned something new!

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Phil Hill
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Gordon is absolutely right: The deceleration cam claw's purpose is to slow down the rapidly moving film and gently set it down on the registration pins assisted by the vacuum applied to the boundary of the field flattener.

Contrary to the previous mis-information, Iwerks has both 24 and 48 fps projectors and refers to it's 1570 projector as a "rolling loop" projector, which it is. Iwerks also has several 870 and 1570 cameras in both 2D and 3D configurations as well as underwater housings, helicopter mounts, etc.

The linear speed of the 15 perf, 70mm film at 24fps is 337.5 feet per minute and 675 ft/min at 48fps (Like at Disney's Soarin'). That's about 3.8 and 7.6 miles per hour.

Think about it.... the projector is stopping and projecting and accelerating the film at those rates while projecting a rock-solid image without damage to the film!

A typical 24fps, 40 minute 1570 print is 2.5 miles long and costs about $20,000.

A standard 35mm feature runs about 1.0 mph and the print costs about $1500-$2000.

YIKES!!!!!

>>> Phil


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Jerry Chase
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Adam, I like your illustration, but one thing missing is an indication of the size of the individual frame of film and what part of the frame gets air blown. It can be inferred, but would be more quickly grasped if detailed. The speed of the system in motion might be a little slower as well, it goes too fast to easily grasp an image mentally and process the sequence.

Brad, is it possible to put Adam's illustration and explanation available for download in "manuals" or "pictures" along with a representative full size three frame segment of the film itself and image of the head?


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Gordon McLeod
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Yes the lenght is ammazing but so is the wieght (as my back will testify) So just think of the acceleration of the large reels about 250lbs for all access . Speaking of which it is time to go move it and do in another vertabrae
I often felt as part of the benifits package large format theatres should provide should be a on staff chiropractor


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Adam Martin
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Phil, not mis-information, just a misunderstanding. Actually (according to the Iwerks press release here, the Linear Loop is a technology that came with their acquisition of Pioneer Technology and is the *vertical* loop in the 8/70 projector. My bad. Click here for more on L. Ron Schmidt's linear loop systems for 8/70 and 10/70 projection.

Jerry, one frame is exactly the size of the shuttered rotor gap. The edges of the shutters on the gap match the frame lines. The loop is not a full frame in size until it rolls onto the field lens and then it immediately begins to reduce as it registers and exits the field lens.

As the film passes the input sprocket and enters between the rotor gap and the input stator (the guide on the non-rotor side of the film), a jet of air pushes the film against the stator while the input sprocket feeds film into the loop. (This causes a loop form into the rotor gap rather than a wad of film at nearly 6 feet per second. [There is a reason why we call them film "crashes"]) The air lasts just long enough for the loop to take shape, then the loop enlarges without any further assistance (other than being fed by the input sprocket) as it travels along the rotor.

Also, I have slowed down the animation on the graphic above. You may have to refresh.

Brad, if you want to post it for reference, at least let me do a better looking one on my good computer at home. I may also do one later today for the loop being formed.

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The air jet really just helps avoid buckling at a critical point in loop formation. The projector will run without a crash with no air jet action, the print will be damaged though.
The input sprocket feeds continuously and once a loop has formed it just makes it bigger. The leading edge of the moving loop has no actual film motion, it's held stationary by the register pins. The trailing edge is moving at 337.5 ft/min as fed by the sprocket so the film is actually accelerating in the loop. When the cam pins stop this film motion, a fair shock travels through the film column from the pins to the input sprocket area - the deceleration is quite sudden and just slow enough to avoid perf damage at the cam pins. At this time a rotor gap is at the input sprocket, and the angle of the input shoe slot plus the fact there's nowhere else for the film to go means a loop forms.
The dynamics of forming the loop at speed with 70mm film produces a problem though. The edges form a very nice loop, as the film is trapped in the rotor/stator gap and at the sprocket shoe at the edges and they have little choice. The centre is not constrained though, to protect the picture area there is plenty of clearance so it contacts nothing (excluding the field lens) thus the centre of the forming loop can buckle inward because of inertia, air resistance, and just plain orneryness. The air jet just helps minimize this buckling.
If the air jet is maladjusted there is trouble. The usual problem is scratching on the airjet tube itself, showing as horizontal lines at the right of the screen picture. Overpressure or a really bad valve timing location can cause film breaks but it's unusual.
I worked on a projector where the rotary valve had failed (they tend to seize), and the local techs had "fixed" it. They actually did a good job on the valve itself, but they had it timed 180 degrees out so the air pulses were in the back right of the machine not at the input point.
They had run over a hundred passes on the print with no breaks.
Luckily they had "fixed" the lamphouse, and with ~0.5 ft-L the scratches were pretty hard to notice. They managed to "fix" the dubber too, so the sound was from a cassette started manually at some poorly defined time during the show start.
While I was working on the Omnimax system the fixers were deep inside their Spitz starball, poor thing.
This brings up the issue of Showmanship. When does "The Show Must Go On!" end? These guys had done a brilliant job against great odds of staying on screen, but the presentation was a horror.
Their situation was extreme and the consequences of not operating dire, but in a normal theatre where do you draw the line when there's a damaged print or a system failure that cripples the performance (such as bypassing the sound or a fogged/cracked lens)???
What is the customer owed when they buy a ticket? A visible picture and sound good enough to understand the dialogue - or the performance the projection system is supposed to be capable of?

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Adam Martin
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Dave, I had to read that three times before I realized you were telling us that the air was coming out of the wrong rotor gap. Didn't they notice how much *louder* the projector was? Sounds like quite a crew.

With a service contract, I would say that if there is anything endangering the print or significantly hindering the presentation, don't run the show. Without a service contract, I guess it depends on how much money your boss wants to spend/lose.

In the 35mm world, I've had projectors temporarily held together with duct tape, baling wire and vice grips to keep the show on the screen. And I think just about everyone's spun a platter or two by hand for an hour to make it to the end of a show.

If it comes down to the show *can't* go on, the I try to look for another option before cancelling. Switching auditoriums, cancelling a slower movie, swapping prints with a slower complex in the same circuit. Whether or not you like the manager on duty can have an effect, too.

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Adam Martin
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Oh, and I made a prettier, more detailed animation. Hopefully, it's the final version.

Look above or look below. Either way, make sure you refresh.

Also, keep in mind that the rotor is moving just one frame per gap. On a GT, there are 5 or 6 frames between the input sprocket and the aperture block, depending on how you count it. I think it's the same on an SR, but it's been a while.



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