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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 08-05-2006 04:06 PM

quote: Mike Blakesley
Then there would need to be a huge advertising campaign to raise the awareness among the giant group of "projectionists" and theatre operators that have never heard of Film-Tech.

I still think that Brad should produce rolls of stickers that say, "To learn how to improve your presentation, check out FILM-TECH.COM" which could be distributed to all interested Film-Techers. We would all start applying these stickers to the inside of film cans, or to reel flanges, whatever.

Absolutely! Its high time to get this site dug out of the sand and get it into the lime light. A booth at Showorst would also be a very good way to get alot of exposure.

quote: Aaron Haney
How would going digital have prevented that situation? Digital projectors have Xenons, too.

Digital projectors have light integrators in the optical path to smooth out any unevenness. Hence they are capable of having an amazingly flat field of light... more so than any typical film lamphouse/projection system out there.

quote: Michael Schaffer
Image and lamp focus are actually less an issue with digital systems as the only focus problem would be one caused by lens focus. There are no focus problems as can be caused by bad tracking of film in the gate, failed cooling, uneven gate bands, etc. The Christie CP2000 have a lamp autofocus function which actually works very nicely to keep the lamp mostly in focus and the current on a constant light level. I don't know if other 2k models out there have that, too, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they do.

RE What is everyone thinking, that could be said right back here. It is obvious that a lot of people are having opinions about the whole digital cinema thing without really much or any practical experience and knowledge of the subject.
It *is* a very interesting subject and also very interesting to compare it to 35mm, but as someone who has worked with digital cinema more than most other people here I have to say it is very, very tiring to read all those posts from people who don't really know what they are talking about and just spam the thread with all their uninformed nonsense.

I'm sitting right next to you re: that post Michael [thumbsup]

. Having an Electronics, Film, and Broadcast background believe me I do see the light! I completely agree with your post. When Brad starts up his training he's going to have to be able to teach all projection formats in use and with all equipment currently in use. Not an easy task.....

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Brad Miller
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posted 08-05-2006 05:32 PM

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Do you actually think any employer is going to pay big money to send a $4.00 per hour employee to your facility?

Nope! Not only did I never say that, your example is yet another reason why such a thing would never fly in reality. As far as going out in the field to do training, that is not feasible for a multitude of other reasons that isn't even worth getting into a discussion over. Plus field training like that is only good for beginning basic type of training.

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
When Brad starts up his training he's going to have to be able to teach all projection formats in use and with all equipment currently in use. Not an easy task.....

Ummm, I would honestly say it would be a damn near impossible task, which is why the idea has been thrown around for years and nothing has ever come of it. Too many obstacles to do a proper job because I'm not interested in doing a half-ass job with such a thing.

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
A booth at Showorst would also be a very good way to get alot of exposure.

Showorst? See what I mean? [Razz]

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Cameron Glendinning
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posted 08-05-2006 06:12 PM

This site is definitely the best learning resource for projectionists and technicians in the world today. It is so more than the sum of its passionate members and while it exists the Future of Cinema is bright [Smile]

Here in Sydney 2 training courses have been attempted one by the Australian Film, Television and Radio School several years ago and currently Metro screen offers one (set up to train for the government program to restore and reopen country town cinemas). The effect has been minimal as the major operators simply don't recognize them [Confused]

Love Marks idea about the film-tech stickers, let people know! [thumbsup]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 08-05-2006 06:31 PM

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Love Marks idea about the film-tech stickers, let people know!

Er, Thats Mike's idea at least in this thread it is.... I'd certainly be willing to stick em all over the booths I work on....

quote: Brad Miller
Showorst? See what I mean?

If you had been to half as many of them as I have you'd call it the same thing. Or should I call it "The Big Exhibitor Kiss Each Others Ass Show"? Still a good place for you to start word of the training thing Brad....

Would be nice to see an "Independent Exhibitor Of The Year Award" for a change.

Mark

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Brad Miller
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posted 08-05-2006 07:48 PM

I'm just ragging you on ShoWest, Mark. Once someone has been to one or two years, the entire show can be done in under a half hour because it's the same thing every year except for the occasional new stuff. [Wink]

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Steve Guttag
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posted 08-05-2006 08:05 PM

Well this IS the cinema industry! I mean, except for the Apogee...if you've seen a Simplex in the last 50-years...you've seen a Simplex...some got turrets some dont (they don't show those anymore)...

Christie won't be showing their newest film projector anymore...they've scrapped it and are sticking with the P35 series with some of their X's features.

Oddly enough...for Dolby, ShowEast typically has their newest stuff.

But the projection/sound side of things rarely have a whole bunch of NEW things...each group seems like they take turns.

I like the shows to meet up with people and I can often take care of some business a lot faster than in text or phone. For some international manufacturers, the shows are the only time you can really get a 2-way dialog going.

Whereas I love the industry, I also like going to a place that has exhibition, manufacturing and dealers all in one room. Needless to say, I only go to the tradeshow and the occasional demo of a new process or equipment.

It is also nice to meet up with people you would otherwise not have the opportunity or time to meet up with. I missed ShowEast last year and it is quite possible I will miss it again this year.

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Carl Martin
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posted 08-06-2006 02:03 AM

quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
Digital projectors have light integrators in the optical path to smooth out any unevenness. Hence they are capable of having an amazingly flat field of light... more so than any typical film lamphouse/projection system out there.

so why don't film lamphouses have these?

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Louis Bornwasser
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posted 08-06-2006 03:54 PM

Theatre owners "could not stand the light to be lost." In the new era, we just get a bigger bulb and larger electrical bill. There is almost a 50% loss in that kind of device. Remember than ANYTHING in the light path has a loss as anyone with an Orcon II will attest. Louis

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 08-06-2006 07:22 PM

Louis,

You didn't know that the integrater is made from pure Kryptonite...... There is no loss at all through it... actually some gain [Wink]

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Actually and truthfully you can run a larger lamp in the D-projectors and still have a lower power bill... The switchers they use are almost 87% efficient.

Mark

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Carl Martin
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posted 08-06-2006 10:35 PM

again, that seems like something that could be used for film as well.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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posted 08-06-2006 10:52 PM

Of course it could... but you need to get a manufacturer to commit to doing that sort of thing and sometimes at great developmental expense that may or may not be recovered.

Mark

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