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John Pytlak
Film God

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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 03-18-2005 09:44 PM

In a sports bar, what size screen attracts the attention of the rights holder? I would think 16 x 9 foot rear screen HD displays filling the walls of a sports bar would be a really neat venue, but when does the "entertainment" become more important than the food and drink to the extent that the lawyers come knocking?

I do know that the NFL came down hard on some local sports bars that were showing games that were being "blacked out" in Rochester NY and Ontario Canada when the Bills played at home in Buffalo, even on regular TV sets.

http://www.sportslawnews.com/archive/articles%201999/NFLBars.htm

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The NFL has successfully sued more than 100 pubs in the United States and Canada in the past five years for showing blacked-out games. According to the Tribune News Service, the league was awarded $440,000 (Canadian) because three southwestern Ontario-area establishments had televised blacked-out Buffalo Bills games.

Both lawsuits seek $200,000 in damages per game from each bar and an injunction to stop the bars from broadcasting future games.

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Paul Mayer
Oh get out of it Melvin, before it pulls you under!

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posted 03-18-2005 10:11 PM

For us the magic number is 55". I'm sure they just pulled that number out of their butts. [Roll Eyes]

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System Notices
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posted 04-10-2006 05:00 PM

It has been 387 days since the last post.

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David Stambaugh
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posted 04-10-2006 05:00 PM

I guess this thread is as appropriate as any for this post...

Vancouver's Cinetopia has converted 7 of their screens to "2K Super High Definition" DLP. Or is it 8 screens? [Confused]

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Cinetopia is the Northwest’s only all Digital Super High Definition multiplex theater. As of March 31, 2006 Cinetopia has seven (7) new state of the art Christie 2k Super High Definition Digital Projectors.

Cinetopia now proudly show cases its Digital Light Projection systems (DLP) in all eight (8) of its auditoriums*. Cinetopia will become the Northwest's only pure digital movie going environment (sound and picture) offering its viewing audience the following remarkable amenities:

1. Super High Definition capability on all 8 screens* – 2050 lines of resolution which is greater than what HD TV technology offers.

2. Super High Definition Movies digitally projected on screens up to 50 feet in width.

3. Over 35 trillion color variations bringing remarkable vivid color to the screen.

4. 2000 to 1 Contrast Ratio.

5. A perfect blemish free presentation every show. Conventional 35 mm film rapidly deteriorates over time as dust, dirt, and scratches accumulate each time a movie is presented. Colors also fade as the film is exposed to heat from the projector. Because they come from computer content and not film, Digital movies will run blemish free indefinitely, retaining their remarkable life like image show after show.

6. Real 3D technology. Several times a year feature films will be released in a Real 3D format, a new technology that allows viewers to watch 3D films with a life like virtual reality feel to them.

7. Perfect focus every show. Several human and film related factors regularly cause 35mm film to be out of focus. Digital projectors are focused by a computer and then locked in to perfect focus show after show.

8. Accrurate [sic] and Consistent Light Distribution Across the Screen. Digital projectors and their computer components accurately and consistently distribute an even amount of light accross a movie screen whereas 35 mm film projectors often throw light unevenly across the screen. Moreover, 35mm projector bulbs fade as the bulbs wear out. This causes the images on the screen to look dim. In contrast a digital projector and its computer components will increase the power to a bulb and brighten the picture if it detects a bulb is wearing out.

* Most films will be presented in Digital Super High Definition. Check our website and newspaper listings to confirm which films are scheduled in Digital High Definition.

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Bobby Henderson
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
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posted 04-10-2006 06:06 PM

Woo hoo. By that standard, if 3 more pixels are added to the image then it can be called "ultra mega phiggidy defintion digital cinema."

Normally one would need a significant jump in pixel count to use a term like "super high defintion." As far as I'm concerned, there's not all that big a leap between 1920 pixels across and 2050 pixels. Certainly not enough to warrant some bullshit "super" term. I'm not even sure I could go along with the "super" term being applied to native 4K level material. That's still only in the native detail realm of 35mm.

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Aaron Sisemore
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Registered: Sep 1999

posted 04-10-2006 06:39 PM

This is setting off the B.S. Meter bigtime!

quote: David Stambaugh
Moreover, 35mm projector bulbs fade as the bulbs wear out. This causes the images on the screen to look dim.

That can happen with a DLP xenon as well.

quote: David Stambaugh
In contrast a digital projector and its computer components will increase the power to a bulb and brighten the picture if it detects a bulb is wearing out.

A 35mm projector and its human components can crank up the current to brighten a picture if it detects a bulb is wearing out...

[Mad]

-Aaron

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David Stambaugh
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posted 04-10-2006 06:47 PM

Hey, just for the record, I didn't say that stuff - Cinetopia said it! I just quoted them. [Big Grin]

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Jack Ondracek
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posted 04-10-2006 06:52 PM

quote: David Stambaugh
Hey, just for the record, I didn't say that stuff - Cinetopia said it! I just quoted them

Yes, but it resulted in the posting of the BS meter... by itself, well worth the thread! [Smile]

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Louis Bornwasser
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posted 04-10-2006 07:23 PM

I'm suprised we haven't had to use this meter more often! Louis

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Aaron Sisemore
Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day!

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From: Rockwall TX USA
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 04-11-2006 01:37 AM

I just got it working again... [Smile]

-Aaron

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Paul Konen
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From: Frisco, TX. (North of Dallas)
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posted 04-11-2006 09:05 AM

quote: David Stambaugh
1. Super High Definition capability on all 8 screens* – 2050 lines of resolution which is greater than what HD TV technology offers.

I do like how the use the number of lines as a reference. The number they use is across.

Isn't the normal standard, up / down which would only be 1K, not 2.

quote: David Stambaugh
Digital projectors are focused by a computer and then locked in to perfect focus show after show.

Ummm, no. You still have a focus knob. Granted you may not have to adjust it, but no.

quote: David Stambaugh
Digital projectors and their computer components accurately and consistently distribute an even amount of light accross a movie screen whereas 35 mm film projectors often throw light unevenly across the screen.

ummm, no. The power supply can increase power requirements to the bulb to keep up a certain number of FL, but there is nothing inside that keeps the light spread even. That is done during setup.

They should stick with the name of Digital Cinema, rather than Digital High Definition. Unless they are showing HD content.

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Tristan Lane
Master Film Handler

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From: Nampa, Idaho
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posted 04-11-2006 06:06 PM

Some corrections:

quote: Paul Konen
Ummm, no. You still have a focus knob. Granted you may not have to adjust it, but no.

The CP2000 projector that Cinetopia is using does not have a focus knob. Lamp focus is adjusted using the control panel on the projector.

quote: Paul Konen
ummm, no. The power supply can increase power requirements to the bulb to keep up a certain number of FL, but there is nothing inside that keeps the light spread even.

To the best of my knowledge, the Christie projector used there has a sensor at the end of the light guide that can sense illumination and compensate for it automatically by adjusting the focus.

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Vancouver's Cinetopia has converted 7 of their screens to "2K Super High Definition" DLP. Or is it 8 screens? [Confused]

To answer David's question, there was already a Barco projector installed during opening. The article is referring to the 7 new Christie projectors added recently.

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Michael Schaffer
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posted 04-11-2006 06:49 PM

quote: Tristan Lane
To the best of my knowledge, the Christie projector used there has a sensor at the end of the light guide that can sense illumination and compensate for it automatically by adjusting the focus.

True. We have 102 CP2000 now.

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John Pytlak
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From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922
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posted 04-11-2006 10:00 PM

quote: Michael Schaffer
True. We have 102 CP2000 now.

I thought that you had been installing NEC systems? So the 102 new systems were funded by AccessIT as part of the Christie/AIX deal announced last November? Are all the new servers JPEG2000 compatible (Doremi)? I hear the originally announced plan of completion by December 31 ended up being mid-February.

Do you still have any of the original systems from Barco/Boeing or NEC in operation?

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Michael Schaffer
"Where is the
Boardwalk Hotel?"

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From: Boston, MA
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posted 04-12-2006 02:51 AM

Yes to all in the first paragraph - I never saw end of December as really possible, but it's good to have goals and deadlines, although the vast majority of the systems was ready for action not long after. Obviously, we aren't playing digital everywhere since that depends on how many releases are available. But it has gotten more and more.
We don't have any Barco or NEC systems left.

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