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Michael Schaffer
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posted 06-03-2004 08:29 AM

It just struck me that I was wrong in saying scope movies are usually shown with an 1.5 anamorphic lens. If we are talking about the Barco 1k (DP50), then it should be set up with a 1.9 anamorphic lens. At 1280X1024=1:1.25, this gives you a near optimum area of 2.375. In reality, you of course have to overzoom a tiny little bit and blacken out some pixels (basically a "software aperture plate") to achieve a clean frame, just like with a "classic" projector.

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Darryl Spicer
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posted 06-03-2004 11:16 AM

They have this thing so sugar coated it is rediculous. First off if you think that print production is going to suddenly stop when these units start to roll out then I have news for you, it will keep right on going. The big reason is because any rollout will most likely involve new theater installs more than existing locations unless the existing location is a top 50 US theater business. This is not something where you get off work closing down your nice reliable 35mm projector go home go to sleep wake up go to work and be greated by a bank of hard drives and video projectors and all the unknown problems that go with it. God that sounds like a nightmare to me not a sweet dream.

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Mattias Ohlson
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posted 06-03-2004 02:47 PM

Now I am trying to tell why TDAT looked bad in both film and digital presentation. Was it intentionally made to look bad in line with the movies catastrophy theme?

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Pete Apruzzese
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posted 06-03-2004 07:36 PM

I think they deliberately blurred the image to hide the special effects work. The same director used a similar optical trick - constant rain - in an attempt to hide the Godzilla (1998 version) special effects.

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Jack Ondracek
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posted 06-04-2004 01:53 AM

If the rollout of [dlp]

is anything like the way the industry's handling cyan soundtracks, I won't be in any hurry to buy [dlp]

stock!

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Darryl Spicer
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posted 06-04-2004 03:42 AM

I will say this that I watched some scenes of Day after tomorrow on a very well lit screen last night and I noticed none of the problems mentioned in this thread. Film my friends looked great.

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Steve Guttag
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posted 06-04-2004 06:18 AM

Oddly enough...the image at the Uptown in DC compared favorably to one I saw where the light was notably higher...everywhere I've seen TDAT it looked soft and faded (washed out).

Steve

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Steve Anderson
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posted 06-06-2004 01:52 PM

Is there a Digital Cinema still at the Orleans 16 in Las Vegas. I saw the last SW there and I am in town for a couple of days and would like to see another feature in DLP.

Thanks

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Raphael Jacquot
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posted 06-09-2004 08:40 AM

the funny thing is...

these TI 1.2K DLP chips have the same resolution as high end home cinema versions....

It's me or the studios that want that DLP thing get into the movie theatres are shooting themselves in the foot ?
if the picture at the local cinema is about as bad as what you can get at home, what's the point of going to the movies ???

Amaury

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John Pytlak
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posted 06-09-2004 10:00 AM

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Evans A Criswell
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posted 06-09-2004 12:36 PM

These items you posted are 1280 by 720. The affordable home technology is stuck at 1280 by 768 or 1280 by 720 or 1366 by 768 or something similar, and the computer data projectors are stuck at 1024x768. I keep thinking any day now there will be an improvement to the 1920 by 1080 resolution for home HDTVs and 1280 by 1024 or more for computer data projectors.

I wonder if digital movie theatres and home devices will all converge to the same standard: 1920 by 1080.

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Mattias Ohlson
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posted 06-09-2004 01:03 PM

The best dlp for home use are single chip, all primary colors are through one chip, and currently at 1280x720.

Digital cinema is 1280x1024 and 3-chip at the low end. That is a big difference.

I did not get a reply if TDAT was projected without an anamorphic lens or not. Without the lens you would lose light output and resolution.

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Richard Fowler
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posted 06-09-2004 01:20 PM

Barco has had the Cineversum 110 / 120 projectors for home cinema = 3 dlp chips at 1280 X 720, for the past year [Cool]

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Mattias Ohlson
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posted 06-09-2004 02:50 PM

I know of the smaller three chip units. It can be argued if they are for a normal home theater. Such a projector would be a very up scale setup. Those who can afford that setup is a very small fraction of those attending a real movie theater.

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Bobby Henderson
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posted 06-09-2004 06:18 PM

For home viewing, I'm not buying into any DLP stuff that shows only 1280 X 720. Crap. Unless it can hit 1920 X 1080 I will not make any plans to buy it.

Same sort of thing applies to computer monitors. A customer visiting my workplace scoffed at the CRT on my desk. He wanted to know why I wasn't using a flat panel display. I told him, "not enough pixels." The 1600 X 1200 level is ONLY the starting point for graphics displays. I don't give one damn if the thing is 19", if it can't go beyond 1280 X 1024 the thing will not sit on my desk. Besides, high rez CRTs are so much more price competitive than overpriced flat displays right now anyway.

To get back to the point, the electronics manufacturers and D-Cinema proponents need to please shut the hell up about all the "it's digital" hype. We know. So the f**k what!? Instead of telling us the whoop-de-doo of digital balleyhoo they need to hit some of those hard numerical bench marks like 1920 X 1080, etc. instead of only giving us somewhat useless info like "6000:1 contrast ratio". It is funny as hell, or sort of angering, when you see a plasma screen TV display that bellows out "6000:1" contrast ratio but then you cannot find any info anywhere about its native resolution --and that's because its native rez ain't real HD. Just 1280 X 720 or less, all for the many-thousands price.

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