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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Richard Hamilton said "Really??? This topic is 5 pages, so "in reality", somebody must care!!!"

Actually if you polled everyone there you'd most likely find that they really hate the idea of accepting lesser image quality than if it were shown on film. This is just a screen count contest, nothing else.
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Joe Redifer
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How much worse could the picture quality be considering he taped the whole movie with a video camera instead of film anyway? You know that soon consumer equipment will match or exceed what Lucas used to videotape and edit Episode 2.


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Richard Fowler
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Panasonic premiered a 24fps film/digital cinema ( standard not HDTV ) camera in the $3500.00 range at NAB a few days ago.......
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Bobby Henderson
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Sony makes an excellent quality "pro-sumer" digital video camcorder featuring lots of nice "pro" style features like a progressive scan 3 CCD array --all for $1700. It shoots very good quality NTSC standard video and also has a memory stick input for shooting digital still images.

Canon's GL-1 has a very snazzy telephoto flourite zoom lens pack, 3CCD array and a number of other nice features. It lists for $2499, but some places sell it for as little as $2100.

Canon's XL-1s is the pro-sumer reference standard camera. You can use interchangeable lenses and do lots of other nice stuff with it. It costs $4500. That price bracket is getting into the DVC-Pro camera price bracket.

The only bad thing about those cameras is that they are geared only for NTSC standard video. My guess is it will be some time before HD level consumer camcorders hit store shelves, much less even arrive for the pro-sumer level. But on the bright side, the rush on developing faster and sharper CCD chips should bring about affordable HD digital camcorders as well as 10 megapixel still cameras within the next couple years or so.

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Manny Knowles
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95 screens in the U.S. and Canada (combined) on opening day.

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John Pytlak
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US and Canada, on May 16: 138 Digital Cinema Screens

Many thousands of 35mm FILM screens. (Ted - give us a final print count please.)

Zero 70mm FILM prints, needed for huge screens.
(Remember how obvious the CGI "digipeople" looked on the deck of the Titanic in the 70mm prints, even though the non-digital scenes looked great!? Same problem likely here, IMHO, unless 4K or greater resolution could have been used.)

Weren't there about a hundred 70mm prints each for "The Empire Strikes Back" and "The Return of the Jedi"? Shot on 35mm negative film (5247) having much less resolution than today's camera films, yet delivering great quality images on huge screens?

IMHO "The effects are thrilling, but the digital medium is still weak."

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David Stambaugh
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The Widescreen Review 70mm filmography says there were 75 70mm prints of "Return of the Jedi". Qty isn't known for "Empire Strikes Back". "Star Wars" had 8 or 9 70mm prints on opening day, then more prints were struck later, but as with Empire, exact numbers are not known.


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John Pytlak
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Even little "secondary market" Rochester was able to experience the "Splendor of 70mm" for both films. Saw them at the Loews Pittsford III.

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Michael Coate
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quote:
The Widescreen Review 70mm filmography says there were 75 70mm prints of "Return of the Jedi". Qty isn't known for "Empire Strikes Back". "Star Wars" had 8 or 9 70mm prints on opening day, then more prints were struck later, but as with Empire, exact numbers are not known.

ACTUALLY...the Widescreen Review 70mm filmography mentions for "The Empire Strikes Back" that "100+ 70mm prints were struck -- a record at the time."

That figure of 75 prints for "Return Of The Jedi" *is* on the list, but is actually included in the entry for a *1985 re-release* in which 75 prints leftover from the original run were re-used. The original 1983 release included (also a record at the time) between 145 and 164 70mm prints, depending on the source used to obtain the print numbers.

(The item in the list also includes a bit of trivia that some of you might remember in that the 70mm prints of "Empire" contained numerous differences compared to the 35mm prints in that some of the transitional wipes were different, along with some shots and dialogue being different as well. The 70mm prints of "Star Wars" used a different sound mix than the 35mm prints with a variety of differences, but I'm unaware of any pictorial differences between the 70s and 35s...aside from print and projection quality, that is.)

Somewhat related...70mm print numbers and some interesting "presentation quality" quotes culled from Variety have been recently added to the entry for "Alien" (1979) in the 70mm filmography mentioned in this thread.

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David Stambaugh
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I stand corrected. I thought I searched on the original release years but evidently I screwed up. Actually I'm baffled how that happened because I just looked them up again (1977, 1980, and 1983) and the numbers are as you say. Weird.

Followup: I think it's the damn wheel mouse! When you select the year of release from the dropdown menu, if you roll the wheel before clicking on "Search", it advances to the next or previous year in the list. I must have accidentally changed the selected year before hitting search. (This is not unique to your site; I've had this wheel mouse thing happen when filling out forms on other sites).



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Bob Maar
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Ok Ted, This is my final guess before you remind Brad to lock the thread. Star Wars will open on 204 Digital screens in the USA and Canada. 15% of the Digital projectors will experience problems during the 1st day and end up playing with 35mm film. When I win the prize, send it to Joe in Denver as he has put up with my ribbing for over a year.


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Lance C. McFetridge
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116 US and Canada

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Aaron Haney
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I think Brad is right -- Ted wouldn't be asking this question if he didn't have something up his sleeve. I'm not even going to bother to guess. I've got some much better questions:

1. How many of these digital installations be non-DLP?
2. Will TI finally announce an upgrade from 1280x1024 to 1920x1080 resolution or higher?
3. If the answer to #2 is yes, how many theatres will have the newer, higher-resolution devices, and how many will be stuck with the older, lower-resolution ones?
4. If the answer to #2 is no, how many news stories that hype up digital projection will mention the resolution mismatch between the movie (1920x1080) and the projectors (1280x1024)?

And most importantly:

5. How many of these projectors will actually have been paid for by the theatres, and not by companies trying to jump-start the market?


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Jeffry L. Johnson
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Bryan Fournier
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My guess is "72" digital presentations of "Star Wars: Attack of the Clones" on opening day.

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