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Topic: Roger Ebert Points Famous Digit Down for Digital Cinema
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-11-2002 05:57 PM
Regal and Carmike Cinemas may be out of Chapter 11, but they are not at all in the clear. They still have the bankruptcy court scrutinizing all of their purchasing decisions right down to the penny. My friend Jack over at the Carmike 8 has to go through a lot of hassle to get any purchases approved, even items like fixing a blown subwoofer driver or dying platter motor. DLP is certainly not in Carmike's plans at this time.Anschutz may talk like they are going to drive UA, Regal and Edwards into leading the industry on converting to DLP, but I think all of their talk is just that: talk. And if they actually go through with it, the expense of those systems and their rapid depreciation rate of obsolescence will bring ruin upon those theater circuits. Finally, it is fundamentally just plain stupid for any exhibitor to embrace a "digital projection" standard that is no better at all than a 1080i HDTV broadcast. That's very very shaky, especially when the DLP systems are costing as much as 100 times more than a HDTV I can pick up at Sears for $2,000.
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David Baum
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From: Brussels, Belgium
Registered: Aug 2000
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posted 03-11-2002 06:31 PM
interesting.yet, JVC is said to introduce in 2002 4000x2000 DILA projectors..... fill factor is 95%+ ( pixels less visible than DLP). when I see a tweaked home theater DILA can reach 1300:1 REAL contrast ratio... Also the new PANASONIC 9600 3DLP is stunning too. One guy who is sad is Lucas : the qty of digital projection theaters in the US is much lower than thought...... his EP II will have to be transfered on film..... will it look good, since it's digitally shot ?........
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Aaron Haney
Master Film Handler
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From: Cupertino, CA, USA
Registered: Jan 2001
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posted 03-12-2002 12:49 AM
Jeez, I wish I'd never brough up the "celluloid" thing now.  I still disagree about d-cinema benefitting indies. The ones who pay to install it are the ones who get to decide how it goes. And if that ends up being the studios and distributors, they will see to it that they end up with more control, not less. Exhibitors can complain all they want, but unless they are the ones who are actually laying down the money, they will have no say. I also wouldn't put too much faith in the federal government to prevent anti-trust violations. There is no way any politician will risk angering the media giants these days. They will willingly look the other way if studios and distributors start grabbing more control over theatrical exhibition. I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't imagine for a second that these big businesses will simply sit back and allow independents to gain a foothold.
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Steve Kraus
Film God

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From: Chicago, IL, USA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 03-12-2002 08:46 PM
Bobby, I could not have said it better myself. I've been making the same point for years now. Theatres do not represent the largest market for chips and systems. HD resolution gear capable of creating a wall sized image at home will become affordable in just a few years if not already.Theatres have essentially 4 things to sell: Biggest picture, highest resolution, the shared viewing experience, and first run. I'm leaving sound off the list because the best home systems can probably equal or exceed all but the very best theatre systems. Locking into an E-cinema standard that is no better (and possibly worse) than one can obtain at home is throwing away an important selling point. When people can see the same picture on their home theatre setups and have it be identical to the theatre picture (and the the big screen advantage is partly made up by simply sitting closer--% of one's field of view etc.) then even more will choose to do so. Day & date pay-per-view experiments bombed in the past but theatre owners won't be laughing when there is a large enough universe of HD home theatres to feed. A monopoly on first run? Don't count on it. First run follow whatever business model brings the largest and fastest return So what would that leave us? The communal viewing experience? Many of us treasure that but a huge percentage equate it with inconvenience, sticky floors, overpriced concessions and will bail at first opportunity. That only leaves teenagers who need to get out of the house. This is not an argument against digital projection. It's an argument in favor of an Ultra Definition system for E-cinema. Something akin to 70mm projection. Theatre owners are entirely right to sit back and do nothing for the time being. Let the experiments continue but it would be a mistake to pour big bucks into the systems that are currently out there.
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Dave Williams
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From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 03-13-2002 02:52 AM
As to the antitrust issue Gordon, you may be right, but I still believe that it would be an antitrust violation in that it takes away from the operator the right to decide what gets shown. This would only work if the owner of the equipment allows other shows to be run, with a per ticket rental charge. Otherwise you end up with a very limited library of what can be viewed. The rules would prohibit any studio from doing so, but not distributors, and as we have so little of them, I do not see ANY operator agreeing to lock themselves out of other pictures. I do not believe that this will even become an issue anyway. By the time the quality becomes true and correct, the systems will be so far down in price that every operator will be able to afford them. I also think that theater days are not limited. Home theaters do provide a wonderful viewing experience, and that gives me pause. The way for operators to stay viable is to utilize and exploit the communal experience, wether it be short performances or shows in place of previews, comedians, or contests and giveaways. You will not get that kind of fun sitting in front of a very sterile and potentially cancer causing lazer system Dave
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."

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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 03-13-2002 05:24 PM
Analog versus digital comparisions are good when done intelligently. I don't have much of any problem with digital audio recording these days since bit rates and sample rates are so high in professional studios. They exceed what the best analog recording technology can do. But when it comes to actually playing rock music, I gladly defer to my trusty analog electric guitars and vacuum tube driven stack. It just sounds better. Transistors and DSP chips still can't quite create the same kind of natural sound a tube amp will provide. 35mm and 70mm film are analog technologies that still work great. And they are better than any form of digital right now. The problem with the word "digital" is that too many morons out there equate "digital" with being "perfect". They do not realize there are good and bad forms of digital. They do not realize that certain digital formats are far inferior to certain analog counterparts. This digital=perfect crap has to stop already. I think that marketing phenomenon is allowing the digital projection sales people and fanboys to be lazy and not forcing them to develop an actual superior product.
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