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Author Topic: 70 vs. DC starring Larry Myres Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 02-13-2006 06:02 PM                       To Steve: You "knew" everything long before you got your degree. Civil engineers build targets.  |  IP: Logged Brian Guckian Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 594 From: Dublin, Ireland Registered: Apr 2003 posted 02-13-2006 08:05 PM                     Panavision Premiere 70 70mm Dye Transfer System / Giant Curved Screen / 9-Channel Uncompressed Digital Sound *** The Ultimate Cinema Experience ***  |  IP: Logged Larry Myers Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: Herndon, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 02-13-2006 09:07 PM                 Ok guys, I just got out of Martin Hart's Widescreen Museum. I thought I would review a little about 70mm. Maybe I was missing something everyone else is seeing. Well, he has a review of the new Ben Hur DVD. You can't miss it when you get into the site. It says Ben Hur Special Report New DVD in a large yellow block. You guys really have to look at the review yourself. Unless I am wrong, and it looks like I am always wrong, he has some scans of a flat 70mm print and some scans of this new DVD and the DVD looks MUCH better. Let the comments begin.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-13-2006 09:54 PM                     quote: Brian Guckian 70mm Dye Transfer System / Giant Curved Screen / 9-Channel Uncompressed Digital Sound *** The Ultimate Cinema Experience *** ..forgot in the usage of IMAX's 'rolling loop' technology...if we're going to talk BIG.... ..and ship a few of those 14k RPM, 1 Terabyte HDD's for all that "uncompressed digital sound" that would be "Hot swappable" to the Sonics Units. quote: Larry Myers and the DVD looks MUCH better. ..have you bought the new "Ben-Hur", 4-disc set to compare to the older WarnerBros release to make an actual "A/B" check for quality comparisons? -Monte  |  IP: Logged Larry Myers Master Film Handler Posts: 371 From: Herndon, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 02-13-2006 10:26 PM                 Monte, your just going to have to log on to the Widescreen Museum and take it form there. It's just a simple observation on my part. Someone else like yourself, might have a completely different viewpoint.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 02-13-2006 10:45 PM                     quote: Larry Myers Unless I am wrong, and it looks like I am always wrong, he has some scans of a flat 70mm print and some scans of this new DVD and the DVD looks MUCH better. Yeah, that would be logical: A DVD that looked better than its source material. Actually the comparison at Martin Hart's website is comparing the old DVD release and its video transfer versus the new DVD release and its newer video transfer. It has absolutely nothing to do with a 70mm versus DVD kind of argument (which is pretty ridiculous to even consider in the first place). Also, I might add it is also pretty ridiculous to draw comparisons of images scanned with an ordinary flatbed scanner and image quality of a DVD. We're not just talking an apples to oranges comparison; it's more like comparing apples to truck transmissions.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-13-2006 11:02 PM                     I've seen that section of that website a couple of months back on the "Ben-Hur" issue, and was just wondering, to make a fair side by side comparison, if you had both DVD's to make a final approach of the imagery with that what you saw on the website -leaving the comparison of a 70mm presentation completely out of the picture since one can't even think of comparing the two formats on an equal basis. quote: Larry Myers ....and it looks like I am always wrong.... Course, this statement isn't really true since you simply don't REALLY know what is all behind all of this. Thus, how could you be wrong in this tense without having the proper knowledge? This is why we have these forums to help others by teaching the ones who have questions. Or,that individual could just be assuming on situations without knowing the actual, rock bottom facts of the situation and needs the actual facts presented to him to make this picture more clearer. Thus, with a clearer picture, that individual has gained the knowledge to move forward..and I've been there before on here in these forums.  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 02-13-2006 11:10 PM                        Even if the 70mm print scans are a 100% accurate representation of what the print looked like (highly doubtful), all that proves is they scanned a bad print. re Image steadiness: Is Steadigate still used in making video transfers from film? Is it available for 65mm/70mm source? [googles it] Looks like there's also Steadi-Film but no mention of formats larger than 35mm.  |  IP: Logged Mike Heenan Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1896 From: Scottsdale, AZ, USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 02-13-2006 11:19 PM                     Plus maybe it was a bad scan as well? That scan (from the LPP print) was darker than the scan from the faded original print.  |  IP: Logged Michael Coate Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1904 From: Los Angeles, California Registered: Feb 2001 posted 02-13-2006 11:50 PM                     quote: Scott Norwood I can definitely recommend the Haines book ("Technicolor Movies") for anyone interested in dye-transfer printing. quote: [I'll order a copy of ] Mr. Haines' work as well! Caveat Emptor.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 02-14-2006 12:00 AM                     Ok everyone, in response as to why I haven't banned Larry Myers for being a retard...seriously, isn't everyone getting just the biggest kick out of his ludicrous statements? Who knew a DVD looked better than a 5/70 print??? WOW! His word is good enough for me. I say we all stop showing films and start running DVD!!!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-14-2006 12:30 AM                     ..cuz he hasn't really caused any reason for such a thing since he's not really been any threat - in speaking ill about the site, forum or anything in that manner. ..but these 18 pages have been very entertaining, to say the least...  |  IP: Logged Dan Lyons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 698 From: Seal Beach, CA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 02-14-2006 12:31 AM                     The 70mm clip in question, compared to the dvd on this page: here Could that poorly timed clip of 70mm be an answer print? It looks like the edges are a very dark, but transparent green in some places, no mag tracks?? It's very common for newer prints of old films to have poor color timing, due to printing off of old faded elements. I've seen it all too often on numerous brand new reprints of old 35mm films. Steve Kraus, please chime in with any info since you're credited with those frames. Still, not a fair comparison at all. Fair would be comparing the Dvds of "My Fair Lady" or "Hello Dolly" to the most recent 70mm prints of those titles. I've been fortunate to see both of those when they played here, simply amazing!  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 02-14-2006 12:37 AM                     ..looks like a very bad scan on that flat 70mm frame. Big trouble with, as mentioned using flat bed scanners - just doesn't do justice of the original. I noticed that when I first saw this section of the site - bad scan of a strip of film. the mag tracks are there, especially the inboard ones on each side of the image. Otherwise, the image would be right next to the edge of the sprocketholes. the inboard mag tracks went into the image about 1/16 of an inch on each side. ..and once again, comparing DVD with the actual print...  |  IP: Logged John Koutsoumis Master Film Handler Posts: 261 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: Aug 2003 posted 02-14-2006 12:52 AM                     In regards to Ben-Hur, I own a copy of the 4 disc box set. And it looks awesome on a 16:9 display . I have seen Ben-Hur here in Melbourne 3 times in 70mm (flat print). It's a print that Chapel Films Distribution had made for them in 1996 and it's a fine example of poor elements and bad lab work. The print it is an eyesore! The contrast is out of whack, it's dull and it lacks vibrant colours. The word on the street is that it was actually struck from a 35mm dupe but I can't confirm anything. When it first premiered here people walked out for refunds within 10 mins of the overture ending. Don't get me wrong I love the film and it's great Roadshow presentation but until I saw the DVD I didn't realise the true beauty of the colour, settings and landscape. At the same time though so much of the performance detail is lost on the small screen, hence I haven't sat through the whole film on DVD and probably never will. There's only one way to see and that's in 70mm (or 35mm IB Tech print) but until a decent print comes our way here in Australia I won't be seeing this film from start to finish again . I can't stand the 70mm print and the DVD/ is way to small to get immersed in the film. It's my #1 film of all time and I have great memories of seeing it the big screen Road Show style. On a side note when I saw a new 70mm (1.85) print of "Playtime" in 2004, any arguemt for the need of Cinema went right out the window. Amazing!  |  IP: Logged

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