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Adam Martin
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This guy may or may not be an idiot, as I didn't actually have time to read this whole thing. [Big Grin]

quote:

DIGITAL CINEMA: WHY BOTHER?

Friday, May 23, 2003

DIGITAL CINEMA: WHY BOTHER? -- Well, the answer to that is easy: Money. The studios will save a fortune several times over when cinemas changeover from photochemical film-based exhibition to digital presentations. When you consider the economics of widely-released films -- the only films that bring in the kind of money that keeps the machine running -- the cost benefits of NOT having to strike 8500 prints (U.S. theatrical, alone) of THE MATRIX are evident. But digital projection isn't here yet, because the technology isn't affordable, or, better put, no one wants to pay for it. The cinema owners understand who will benefit and figure it's up to the studios to make the changeover economically feasible. The studios, naturally, want to shift the burden to the exhibitors, but also correctly point to anti-trust issues they cannot circumvent in re-equipping theaters. (Read the consent decree.)

But none of those practical issues will matter to audiences by the time digital cinema becomes a reality. How do we know this? First, because theater owners are the last to catch up with cinema innovations, with the studios in hot pursuit. Remember Dolby Stereo? Not Dolby Digital, but Dolby STEREO. There are still mono theaters in the U.S. They are in ever-dwindling numbers, granted, but this is after -- what? -- 26 YEARS? Not only that, but the level of audio performance in most people's living room far exceeded that in commercial cinema until Lucasfilm's THX came along. Theater owners not only fought stereo sound, but once they relented, they often opted for cheesy FAKE stereo sound, most often surround decoders that let them keep mono audio upfront, behind the screen, and add a mono surround track for a few bucks. There were also phone Dolby decoders theater magnates could buy, too. "Ultra Stereo" was the poor man's Dolby and a widely accepted substitute that exhibitors could tout without the Dolby trademark.

But the point is that the entire world was in stereo before most theaters were. And the same thing is going to happen to pictures. Already, digital DVDs, projected on home cinema front projectors (as opposed to those awful black box rear screens) offer performance that's quite competitive with 35 mm film on small screens. And, by "small," I mean screens less than fifteen feet wide. So, for anywhere from $2500 to $10,000 and enough room in your home, you can basically much of the benefit of digital cinema systems that are still three to ten years off. When high-definition DVD finally becomes available, there will be no practical difference between the home and cinema experiences, save for the availability of first-run films and a crowd big enough to offer the mass-viewing emotional boost. Don't have the room or the money? Don't worry, digital projectors are making their way into corporate meeting rooms, church basements and every bar and restaurant that has cable or satellite TV. By the time cinemas go digital, the rest of the world will have already done so. It will be about as exciting as stereo sound is today, which is to say not in the least.

As far as I can tell, this is completely lost on the studios and exhibitors, who often act as though they have a death wish anyway.

So how can digital cinema make a difference? By fundamentally changing the rules of cinema, for one thing. Today, a movie is two hours long and plays for one week to six months. The movie you see on the last night in the theaters is the same as the one that opened, weeks or months earlier. By the time it gets to DVD, it has miraculously transformed, quite often, into a "special edition," sometimes with new footage, a director's commentary track and "extras," that extra footage that offers a reason to buy the film, though not necessarily to watch it.

But why should a film stay the same throughout its run? Why can't directors change things before it gets to DVD? That's what happens during the run of a Broadway play; creators constantly tweak a production to make it play better in front of the audience. How many film directors do you think would like to do this? Okay, none that have hit movies, but I'm sure there are plenty of filmmakers with flops on their hands that would love a shot at this.

How about dynamic recasting? Why not have alternative versions of the film with alternative casts that might replace the original cast halfway through a film's run? (Naturally, both casts would need to be shot at the same time.) Or alternative rated versions? This causes howls of protest when it's proposed by moralistic watchdogs, but what if the filmmaker and studio marketing types prepare versions specifically designed for different audiences? Alternate endings? Forget the debacle with "Clue" in the 1980s. This is an idea that has yet to be fully explored.

Or why not, for that matter, just move those ultimate fan editions that only get DVD release into theaters to stimulate repeat viewings or pick up boxoffice late in the run? Short film programs work in digital cinemas, where the program can change frequently without incurring great expense. Heck, we may even see the return of the newsreel or other non-fiction short films with the advent of digital.

One awful omen is already visible on the horizon, however. My favorite multiplex has installed digital video projectors -- just standard definition NTSC projectors -- that they feed with DVDs running local ads in the interstitial time between shows. Not only is the presentation awful, but these ads are a constant reminder that someone will pay for every minute of a captive audience's time. Will the advertising assault on movie audiences ever end? And will screen ads in the U.S. ever attain the escape velocity necessary to elevate the mundane to either art or entertainment worthy of an audience's attention? If they can't, then theater owners better quickly learn that they are a turn-off that will drive audiences back to their homes, where advertising can be eliminated with a touch of the remote control.

Finally, theater owners dream of turning their cinemas into some kind of multi-use venues that can accommodate corporate confabs, big public meetings, religious services and more, once you can put a movie-quality program (that's not a movie) on the screen. Alas, someone should pop this dreamy balloon right now. With a surplus of digital projection, from homes to classrooms, cinemas won't have anything more to offer than a bigger room and some hot popcorn when the technology makes this possible. Still, one would hope that adventurous show people (if there are such people any longer) would respond to the challenge of bringing theater, performances, sports and new genres of public spectacle to these new digital cinemas. These are, I think, all possible with a little imagination.

Right. But that's the hook isn't it?


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Darryl Spicer
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Digital Cinema is a gimmick and will always be a Gimick. People don't give a crap, let me rephrase that, average people don't give a crap what the picture looks like so long as they can see it. Average people don't own homes that are big enough to project an image as big as fifteen feet wide. Average people can't aford some of the espensive equipment that can be found for in home use. Average people can't afford the escalating ticket costs that will occure to help pay for this useless gimick.

Now don't get me wrong. Everything new can start out as a gimick. Stereo sound did until dolby got involved. But that was on a lesser more affordable leval than digital cinema will ever be.

I forsee over the next ten years digital cinema remaining a gimick. You may start to see some wider spread use out of the system such as more theaters having one or mayby two units installed in there locations. But, as far as all screens in a location switching over I highly dougbt it.

To sum it all up before they ever use the phrase in the splender of digital projection. They better make sure it out performs the splender of 70MM.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote:
from Adam:
"But digital projection isn't here yet, because the technology isn't affordable, or, better put, no one wants to pay for it. The cinema owners understand who will benefit and figure it's up to the studios to make the changeover economically feasible."

Adam, with all due respect, I don't think this is the point. As is well established here, the digital image is not as good as film. Digital is not as reliable as film. Digital is not universally compatible, as is film. The studios do not universally embrace any one process that an exhibitor can rely on to receive, and run all product that is currently available on... FILM!... and all that's before we get anywhere near discussing the cost of installation, maintenance and amortization.

With current saturation bookings, today's first-run houses don't have a print long enough to wear it out, bad handling and accidents notwithstanding, so presentation degradation with time isn't a tremendously serious issue (sorry, George!).

There are no practical, economic, esthetic, business or tax advantages to apply digital in its current incarnation. Simply put; there presently is no assumable return to be realized by investing in a booth full of digital projection equipment. It's too simplistic to say that exhibitors just don't want to pay for it. It's more that nobody's nuts enough to pay that kind of money for something that's not half as good as today's film technology, and won't last nearly as long. Articles, recently referenced by John P. provide ample evidence that digital has a long, long way to go before it has a chance of equalling, if not besting the economic and presentation baselines that currently exist with film technology. The only point that can be given digital right now is that its last performance should be equal to its first... meaning that it'll still look as original as its technology allows, 3 weeks into a title's run, when audiences have dwindled to nothing.

As Daryl aptly puts it... digital isn't much more than a gimmick... at least right now.. and an extraordinarily expensive one at that. The industry does not have the right to point fingers at exhibitors. They don't have anything to sell... and if we're smart, we'll resist the studios' effort to downgrade the average (excellent), everyday image resolution we now enjoy with film, in order to make digital "fit in the box".

As for our reluctance to blithely jump on the current bandwagon: I've seen and worked in an abundance of theatres, where exhibitors had invested in the latest fad (several kinds of 3D, 35mm mag, etc.) where it's doubtful that boxoffice performance ever resulted in justifying the investment in equipment. There were booths all over the country that had installed selsyn motors, control circuitry, lenses, polarizing filters and beefed-up (or additional) generators/rectifiers for 3D... even more with racks full of amplifiers, pre-amps, penthouses, various sundry control electroncs, and stage and surround speakers for mag-stereo that were only used a handful of times before the STUDIOS stopped supporting the technology that they had convinced the exhibitors were absolutely necessary for their financial survival.

Exhibitors, while maybe a bit overly cautious (and sometimes downright cheap), aren't exactly "raking it in" right now. They also have the potential to be a lot more savvy than in years past, now that many of them have their own technical departments and aren't tossing all responsibility for the booth to service companies like the former RCA and Altec divisions.

When it's time... when/if the ducks all line up, it'll happen. Until then, there's no point to slinging mud. The system's just not ready for prime-time mainstream deployment.

[ 05-27-2003, 01:40 AM: Message edited by: Jack Ondracek ]

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Adam Martin
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I'm not really sure why I'm being lectured. I didn't write the article and I specifically stated that I hadn't read the article. I came across it looking for something else and thought I'd post it for others to read and comment on before I forgot where I had come across it.

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Charles Everett
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New York will go Finding Nemo with DLP. The UA Union Square opens it with 2 DLP halls and 1 35mm hall; this is the first DLP release for UA's top New York-area theater. The AMC Empire has 2 DLP halls and 1 35mm hall as well.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote:
I'm not really sure why I'm being lectured
(edit... earlier response disappeared... just found out why.)...

Sorry for getting wordy, Adam. It wasn't really aimed at you personally. A lot of us drive-in operators have been a bit on the touchy side, having taken the early hype quite seriously. With the screen sizes we deal with, not to mention lamp requirements and cost, this thing had us pretty concerned. Now, we're just mad we took it so seriously & we're generally skeptical about anything that comes down from the DLP industry.

Anyway... I feel much better now... steam pressure's lower! [Big Grin]

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Charles Everett
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Lack of concern? Not in New York -- Finding Nemo sold out its 7 PM show on a DLP screen last night at the UA Union Square. I noticed the "Sold Out" sign in the box-office window on my way out of L'Auberge Espagnole.

UA is using special mylars with a "Digital" tag to identify the DLP shows.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Charles,
Nemo selling out is not news by any means, nor is it selling out on a DLP screen. The fact is that its a great film and it is still seling out everywhere. What we need are more films to run on the order of Nemo!! DLP, or other digital projection wouldn't make any difference one way or the other if one has a great story to tell.
Mark @ CLACO

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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BTW: nemo reclaimed the top box office spot this weekend.....definately without any help from the few DLP sites.....
http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/15/box.office.ap/index.html
Mark

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quote:
nemo reclaimed the top box office spot this weekend.....definately without any help from the few DLP sites.....
Well, the highest grossing theatre showing FINDING NEMO is showing it in DLP.

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Paul Konen
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July is going to be a good month for DLP showings:

Here is what is being offered to theatres:

Terminator 3
Sinbad
Pirates of the Carribean
Spy Kids 3-D

I'll be showing 3 out of 4 these titles.

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"Well, the highest grossing theatre showing FINDING NEMO is showing it in DLP."
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That is true but if it were film it would make the same gross . The majority of patrons certainly don't go there just because its in [dlp] .....
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Agreed with Mark G. The gross won't be significantly different just because Nemo happens to be available in DLP. It's doing well because it's an excellent film, not because there are a few dozen places where one can see it in [dlp] .

Wow! There are four DLP releases in the next month! I guess film must be dead by now. [Smile] Never mind that exactly zero of the 20 or so titles that I have shown in the last couple of months were available in [dlp] and none of the titles that I'm likely to show in the forseeable future will be available for theatrical exhibition in any format other than 35mm film.

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All venues showing DLP should take down all identification, posters, mylars or whatever that trumpet the word DIGITAL. When a DLP auditorium gets the same promotion as a similar-sized nondigital one showing the same movie (in a cinema where film is "done right), and outgrosses it, then we can believe that audiences seek out digital screenings.

Has anyone else thought the newer DTSs don't sound as good as the older ones?

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Paul Konen
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Scott, DLP will probably never replace the type of material that you present. (I don't exactly know so I am making an assumption here). The costs of doing digital conversion for an independent may just be too great to swallow.

On the other hand, Digital will slowly make inroads into theatres. There are alot of issues to work out between exhibitors, distributors, vendors, etc in regards to Digital Cinema. As I have stated before, there are true film people who will never be satisfied with D-Cinema in any form or fashion. They will always find something to bitch about. The manufactures know what their limitations are, and are working to fix these.

Recently, I had a call from a gentlemen in Austin calling to see what was going to be on DLP as he wanted to plan his vacation accordingly. I have met others who travel from Oklahoma, Arlington, Fort Worth just to see the DLP presentations.

Agreed with others that Nemo is a good film and based upon scheduling and other factors, the DLP house may have done better than the film houses. (I don't know how mine did.)

One thing to think about, if the directors and studios are satisfied with the results of D-Cinema, and with the coming of the 2K chips, then why hasn't it (D-cinema) stopped altogether. You would think that they are just as concerned about the things that others in this forum bring up.

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