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Topic: Why use DLP?
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 09-23-2002 08:27 PM
Bobby, how long did it take for your DVD's to "rot?" I was not aware of this happening. Now that I am aware of it, I am somewhat shocked! Luckly, I don't have that large of a collection, and just by the sound of things, it is not going to get much larger. Back to S-VHS and the best quality of tape for me.... I wonder if this was a "known problem" with the disks. I am glad this thread came back to life. Maybe we found something out that was not supposed be generally known.
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
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From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 09-23-2002 10:55 PM
I had my copy of the Awards Edition of "American Beauty" since it was first released on DVD (wasn't that the fall of 2000?). The disc became unplayable by the end of 2001. I've had my copy of "The Crow" for less time than that. Same goes for "Three Kings".In the case of "American Beauty", I just went over to Wal-Mart and got another copy for $14. Universal offered to replace the thing, but I didn't feel like waiting 4 months for the trade. I may send my copy of "The Crow" in for a replacement movie disc since I can't simply buy another 2 disc set for real cheap. The thing that really worries me about all this rot is other DVDs in my collection now out of print rotting. I'll be really upset if my Criterion "Robocop" DVD rots. Same goes for my 2 disc DTS DVD version of "Dances With Wolves". The 2 disc version of "Fight Club" is being phased out and replaced with a single disc pan and scan version. I suspect some DVD replication plants getting cheap on their materials or quality control procedures. Even if my DVD costs less than an ordinary music CD to purchase, I still want the thing to last as long as the CDs in my collection.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 09-24-2002 01:53 AM
Here is a comparison of two DVD's in my collection. One was "Tora Tora Tora!", and the other was "The Rock." I suspect "The Rock" will have a difficult time playing the final chapter, but I have not tried it yet. Check this out:  Bobby said:
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"I suspect some DVD replication plants getting cheap on their materials or quality control procedures."
...And Paul Mayer said:
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"Depends on who did the pressing--some pressing facilities were worse than others in this regard."
Gentlemen, I believe you both are right on target.
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Frank Angel
Film God
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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999
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posted 09-24-2002 07:16 AM
Good question, Brad. And that leads to the other side of the coin, that being the format. I have a large collection of Laserdisc, starting from the first Disco-Vision releases (yes, they were on coke when they dreamed up that name) through to the last available titles a few years ago and I have gone through 4 players, from the very first Pioneer Model 1000 to the last Panasonic Prism model. If that player dies (given the rather wanting longevity of the earlier models, it certainly will), what do I play this extensive library on? Do I have to replace the entire library? Even within the history of Laserdiscs, I have already replaced the same titles two and three times -- first to replace the ones that rotted, then to get the letterbox versions instead of P&S, then to get the digital sound versions, then to get the THX Mastered versions. Now I may have to buy DVD versions? It certainly would seem that 20th Century Fox has sucked out way beyone its rightful share of royalties out of me for my fifth purchase of SOUND OF MUSIC to even THINK about copy protecting the DVD I will have to buy to get DTS or Dolby Digital sound.And as far as never seeing any problems with CDs -- I have hundreds of them and so far see no major problems, but then again, perhaps that is because the consumer players don't have digital quality numbers in the display like they do on Dolby Digital Cinema processors; we might not be so content with their stability if we could see that CDs which started off playing at 7-9 are now playing at 3-4. Frank PS -- Just an aside: the reason why I had to replace the Pioneer players each time was because once they crashed, even the Pioneer owned and operated repair center out in NJ couldn't repair them. My second model was kept for 6 months until they finally just said, we have to send you a new replace, but only a model LOWER on the quality level because the newer ones had features my broken one didn't, and, gee, they couldn't replace it with a "better" model. So even when that format was in its prime, the technology was so dense that the manufacturer itself couldn't deal with repairing it. Imagine that scenario once the technology has been obsolete for a decade or two. Even if the medium itself hasn't degraded, what about the equipment needed to retrieve it? When I realized the predicament I would be facing 10 years from now with my Laserdisc library and a player that might die before I do, I though, I'd better buy a second player and just keep it in storage until the current one crashes. To late -- no more new players to be bought any longer. I doubt that will ever happen with CDs or DVDs because of their penetration of the planet (Laserdiscs never caught on in any major way), but the stability issues still remain to be seen.
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Paul G. Thompson
The Weenie Man
Posts: 4718
From: Mount Vernon WA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 09-25-2002 02:20 PM
I discovered a new way to destroy dud CD's. I made a couple of "coasters" last night when I was recording some old 1960 33-1/3 records to a CD. After the burner spit the dud "coasters" out at me, I sprayed them with Parts Plus Non-Chlorinated Brake Cleaner. Normally, If I botch a burn job, I usually scratch the surface with a sharp object or take a scissors and cut them in half. I mention this because there was one time I tried to break one apart. They will break in a violent SNAP and plastic schrapnel flys all over the place, and some of the shards can very eassily embed themselves into your skin - clear on down to the bone! I was very lucky. It is very dangerous. Don't break a disk, you might not be so lucky.
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