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Julio Roberto
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 - posted 08-26-2009 05:54 PM      Profile for Julio Roberto     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
No, I had not seen Technicolor trying to be a player in 35mm 3D market ... but there is no need for any other system as over/under or side/side 3D for 35mm have existed for ... ever and they cost a couple hundred dollars to adapt to a theater (they could use infitec filters and not even need a silver screen, i.e.)

If there is no 35mm 3D prints today is not because they were waiting for Technicolor to do anything about it ... it's because studios and distributors didn't want 3D in 35mm. Period. Otherwise, 3-D in 35mm has existed since the 50's with the same or MORE (much, much more) quality than digital 3D.

I mean. Imax digital dual 3D vs dual 35mm 3D? Sony 2K over/under against 35mm full-frame over/under "scope ratio"?

Under $1000 3D optical adapters vs $100k digital 3D system deployment?

You get the point.

Glad to see that Technicolor is trying to push this through. Hope they succeed, but unfortunately I think the true colors are going to show ...

About studios not enforcing DCI projection equipment TODAY, sure. Tomorrow, maybe. Five years from now, who knows. Do you want to bet $100K against it?

I also think that for the next 10 years or so studios are not going to bother current crop of projectors. But it's stupid to have to pay top dollars for something even they don't consider worth it of projecting their movies on ...

For that money, I want GUARANTEES. No surprise $20.000 upgrades required 5 years from now to comply to DCI.

Same thing with 3.5-5.5 fl 3D illumination requirements and 4:2:2 10bits subsampled images.

If I could do a 2K 3D screen today for $50k, I'll do it for sure, even if 4.5fl and 4:2:2 10 bits only and non-dci. As you said, later on, I'll move it to a smaller screen/budget house and replace it with 4K or whatever.

But for $100K I want the real deal. And that's not it.

And if they come out with 35mm 3D ... then I may even stay 35mm for a LONG time [Wink]

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Marco Giustini
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 - posted 09-21-2009 01:53 PM      Profile for Marco Giustini   Email Marco Giustini   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Uhm... seems that their dreams are becoming reality

http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/PR.aspx?newsID=1541

quote:
Hollywood, Calif.,—Sep 17, 2009 Technicolor Launches Industry’s First “Production to Projection” Solution to Deliver High-quality 3D to More Moviegoers Moviegoers Rank 35mm 3D Identical in Quality to Digital 3D in Warner Bros.’ Final Destination 3D Exit Polls
To address the unprecedented demand for 3D, Thomson (Euronext Paris: 18453; NYSE: TMS), through its Technicolor Business Group, today announced a high-quality, affordable 3D solution that works with existing 35mm projectors. The Technicolor 3D Solution can be deployed immediately to bridge the gap until digital cinema can be more widely rolled out. According to exit polling interviews conducted by independent research firm OTX, moviegoers ranked Technicolor 3D as being comparable to digital 3D cinema technologies, making it the first viable celluloid complement to existing 3D efforts.

A wider platform is needed to accommodate the growing consumer demand for 3D content. With more than a dozen 3D movies and even more special 3D events (concerts, sporting events, etc.) slated for 2010, 3D engagements are a proven complement to 2D at the box office. In fact, 3D engagements outperform 2D by more than 2-to-1 in attendance and even greater in box office. Existing 3D technologies work exclusively with digital projectors, but currently only approximately 6,500 theatre screens in the U.S. have been converted to digital and roughly only 2,500 of those screens will be 3D-capable by year’s end. This means more than 90 percent of theatre screens in the U.S. are not able to provide a 3D experience to moviegoers…until now. Because there is no need for a digital cinema system, which can be costly, Technicolor’s innovation puts 3D within economic reach of all theatre circuits, allowing them to complement 2D engagements and benefit from incremental revenue generated from increased ticket sales and ticket sale surcharges.

“In today’s economic environment, it’s a harsh reality that not every exhibitor has access to the funding required to install digital 3D projection systems. It was the desire to make 3D accessible to the masses that resulted in Technicolor creating a 3D solution to fill the gap between celluloid and digital cinema,” said Frederic Rose, Chairman and CEO of Thomson/Technicolor. “Technicolor 3D equals the quality of digital 3D, and since it’s a fraction of the cost of digital 3D, it allows every exhibitor to benefit from the incremental revenue generated from 3D presentations while giving content creators the widest possible platform on which to share their movies.”

Warner Bros. and AMC, which have teamed with Technicolor for initial consumer testing, are encouraged by moviegoers’ response to the Technicolor 3D Solution. Sixty-five percent of moviegoers polled after viewing Warner Bros.’ box-office success Final Destination 4 in Technicolor 3D said the “overall image quality of the 3D” was “excellent” or “very good”—this compares identically to the results from digital 3D exit polls.

Movie Exit Poll Highlights from Technicolor’s 3D Presentation of Warner Bros.’ Final Destination 4

· Satisfaction of Overall Viewing Experience. Overall satisfaction was similar in Technicolor 3D and digital 3D and both test groups felt “satisfied” to “extremely satisfied” with this experience. The 35mm 3D group registered somewhat higher “extremely satisfied” responses that the digital 3D group.

· 3D Quality Compared to Last 3D Movie Experience. Comparing this experience to the last movie they saw in 3D, moviegoers who watched in 35mm 3D were near-identically inclined to perceive the 3D quality as “excellent” or “very good” as those who watched in digital 3D—comparisions to their last 3D experience were at parity.

· Movie Ratings & Recommendation. Moviegoers who watched in Technicolor 3D were more inclined to rate the film itself “excellent” and to “definitely” recommend it to friends versus those who watched in digital 3D.

How the Technicolor 3D Solution Works
The Technicolor 3D Solution employs a propriety “production to projection” system that leverages 35mm (film) projectors already in use by 90 percent of U.S. theatres today to deliver high-quality 3D content to moviegoers. A patented lens system assembles the left and right eye images as the film runs through the projector and delivers a 3D ready image onto a silver theatre screen. The solution works with circular polarized glasses—identical to the ones used for existing digital 3D cinema—to “translate” the film’s content into an image that is perceived by the viewer as being three dimensional. The silver screen can be used for the projection of both Technicolor 3D as well as digital 3D content. The Technicolor 3D Solution can be installed nearly immediately. No build-out or significant modifications of the projection booth are required.


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System Notices
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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 04-22-2011 06:15 PM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Bump.

Regarding the Sony HDW-M2000 decks: only serial numbers 15000 and higher will play back 23.98 PsF, 24P, and 25P tapes. Earlier versions will only play 59.94i and 50i. Anyone doing film festivals or anything similar will have to deal with 23.98 tapes, so keep this in mind when renting (or buying) this deck.

This one just bit me, so I'll post it here in case anyone else runs into this issue.

(As a side note, Sony's broadcast division technical support department is quite helpful.)

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Steve Guttag
We forgot the crackers Gromit!!!

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 - posted 04-23-2011 07:51 AM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Never knew that one...I only started working with the format since 2003 and all of those decks handle 23.98 and such. Note too, on the J decks...only the JH3 will do the 23.98 as well. The digital audio is embedded on the HDSDI outputs so one can get the likes of Dolby-E, if encoded using a de-embedder.

-Steve

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