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Author Topic: wich is better 1.2" DMD or 0.98# DMD Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 09-11-2009 07:25 PM                        quote: the screen size is Height:21.653 ft width:40.85 ft. Trow distance: 59.055 ft. the gain factor i dont really know. Mike we are running very similar screen and throw to this in our main auditorium, our new NEC1600 with 4k lamp and reald d works very well , infact we have a bit to much light so we backed off the lamp. The only point I can fault with the NEC is the lens change is slow , when going from w/s trailer to c/s feature it takes a bit to long for the macros to change the lens. where possible i try to line up ratios for feature and trailers. but we still have a change from w/s preshow material to the main presentation.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-11-2009 09:02 PM                     Peter, Now is NOT the time to buy d-cinema anything! At least wait till the generation 2 electronics based machines are out later this fall. They are 2K/4K compatable meaning that you can purchase the 2K projector and then later on go to 4K just by swapping out the engine block if you desire. 2nd Generation will also accept the media block systems. Once 4K DLP emerges Christie has told me to watch for a good price drop in 2K units. The 2.nd Gen units will be far more obsolete proof as well. Mark  |  IP: Logged Mike Moreno Expert Film Handler Posts: 200 From: culiacan sinaloa mexico Registered: Jul 2008 posted 09-11-2009 09:55 PM                        Phill thanks for the info, i hope maybe fon november we finally get the new digital projector. mark do you know if the new release of the nex generation projectors is going to be this year? mike moreno  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 09-12-2009 02:50 AM                     As far as lens it depends Peter. If you are using a common width screen so in both flat and scope you have a fixed width with variable sides, you can get away with even a fixed lens and not need motorised. It depends of course but it takes more or less 15 second to make the whole transition (considering how big your screen is) if you are using a lens change. Note that masking is done digitaly and has nothing to do with the lens. The lens only handles focus, zoom and shifting if available. You could also conider the Barco range and there is nothing wrong with X-Pand for your application. X-Pand is impressive and their glasses look more sleek than anyone elses for that part. You can get away with a white screen. Of course a perhaps better alternative would be the Dolby system. Note that you will need at least double the lamp power needed for your 2D vs 3D applications. What are your screen size? Sorry but I have not seen your previous posts. As far as waiting for the 2K/4K 2nd generation, if you wait for that then when that is released something else will be on the line and you will be adviced to wait and wait and the wait will be forever. Sorry but I strongly believe that D-Cinema equipment is obsolete the day you buy it no matter what you buy because electronics advace day by day. It's not like 35mm which will stay for a lot long time still to come. Now choosing the projector suitable for you, it depends. What space you have available and what are your needs? Both Dolby and X-Pand are compatible with almost all D-Cinema servers out there. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-12-2009 03:14 AM                     MIke, Yes, late this year for Christie so not too long a wait... Mark  |  IP: Logged Peter Castle Expert Film Handler Posts: 220 From: Wollongong University, NSW ,Australia Registered: Oct 2003 posted 09-12-2009 07:42 AM                     Demetris, Our screen is constant height, so 40 ft is our widescreen width (actually its probably about 16 x 9 at that width). So we will need to change lens zoom and focus to switch from widescreen to scope. We have plenty of space in our booth. The DCI projector will be dead centre both horizontally and vertically (our two 35mm projectors were equidistant to either side). Screen is 1.8 gain (I think). Servers being suggested are Qube, GDC and Doremi. Quote for Dolby was too high.  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 09-12-2009 07:50 AM                     I have seen the Doremi server and a lot people seem to favour it. The interface is a bit sluggish though. Using a screen gain of 1.8 will have no problem with the X-Pand system although I think you need a bulb of 6.5 or something like that. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Brendan Penny Expert Film Handler Posts: 121 From: Bundoora, Australia Registered: Dec 2008 posted 09-14-2009 04:11 AM                     quote: Demetris Thoupis Brendan your think that your sarcascim makes you funny. It doesn't. Get over it. Demtrious, I wasn't being sarcastic, I'm being dead serious. (Don't worry, I'll be sure to let you know when I'm playing around...) Do you even know how much Panasonic are flogging those DW10000? More than most 2k projectors. (even two years ago) And yes, I know Peter is at a university. That's what pisses me off. Probably my tax dollars hard at work for another unnecessary toy. No no no. You made your decision on that DW10000 piece of crap so you can stick with it for a few more years. Unless you fund it yourself. You want to do cost effective 3D modeling for the kids? Have a look at a company called 'Inition' who specialize in the stuff and have an office in Australia. I also like how you mention the Dolby server is too expensive.. Oh yes Mr Exhibitor, its all about price so go buy a Qube piece of cause its cheap. If you are going to waste tax dollars than at least buy something decent. (BTW the Dolby server isn't that expensive but your mates over at Edge have an agreement to sell lots and lots of Doremi. They won't not sell you a Dolby but sure as hell price them out of it) And Demetrious, STILL waiting on my Kinoton DCP pics to show off that superb German engineering. No one can re-badge a Barco quite like the Germans so I'm told...And the way they moved the communicator panel to the rear of the projector instead of the side. Wow! Amazing... Getting back onto topic, can the Kinoton DCP do full res triple flash on a 1.2 or is it really just a Barco in a beige box??  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 09-14-2009 04:29 AM                     GDC servers are a very good servers for their price. No complaints about them on this end.  |  IP: Logged Peter Castle Expert Film Handler Posts: 220 From: Wollongong University, NSW ,Australia Registered: Oct 2003 posted 09-14-2009 05:23 AM                     OK Brendan, enough is enough. Our cinema is funded entirely from admissions - at one screening per week. All staff are volunteers. So none of your glorious tax money is being spent here. All our equipment purchases have no university funds in them. Be that as it may we still have to be conservative with what we purchase. Price just means we can buy now instead of waiting and waiting. When we purchased the DW10000, there were no DCI projectors anywhere near the same price. I accept that the value of any video equipment drops in price as soon as you install them, but you can't just wait until you have the money.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-14-2009 08:54 AM                     I'd highly reccomend you take a look at GDC and Doremi. Doremi has been extremely reliable and it seems they have gotten rid of all the problems they had in past years. They are also a very good company to deal with. GDC is as well and either server will accept 1TB drives! Qube is Windows based and uses XP Imbeded... Support for XP ends in 2012 so after that I'm not sure what Qube will do.... perhpas there will be Windows 7 Imbeded or something similar. All of the people I know using Qubes like them however. Mark  |  IP: Logged Brendan Penny Expert Film Handler Posts: 121 From: Bundoora, Australia Registered: Dec 2008 posted 09-14-2009 09:24 AM                     quote: Peter Castle Our cinema is funded entirely from admissions - at one screening per week. All staff are volunteers. So none of your glorious tax money is being spent here. All our equipment purchases have no university funds in them. You can afford to buy an 80k Panasonic and the another 80k Christie in the space of 2 years by running one screening per week??? Conservative purchasing you say?? Here is the million dollar question. For one screening per week you absolutely must go out and get a D cinema setup today? Right this minute? Can't wait a day, a month, a year? Don't tell me you have fallen victim to the 'you won't get product' propaganda that a certain dealer is throwing around to scare little old independents into buying gear?? Oh and just to clarify before 'Mr Kinoton' comes in to shoot me down. I don't have any problem with any of the servers out there at the moment (apart from GDC's GUI looking like a Apple 2e program I built when I was a kid) but I think you need to carefully consider them all regardless of price. Few extra $$ may get you a few extra pretty colors on the GUI! But all this doesn't really matter anyway does it? The majority of cinemas will be dust in a matter of 10 years now that you are all giving us exactly what we can get at home. Now you have NO point of difference. All this crap is just another way for the studios to reach their ultimate goal... Day and Date baby...  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 09-14-2009 09:29 AM                     Peter I send you a pm. Brendan you are just not worth dealing with. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Tristan Lane Master Film Handler Posts: 444 From: Nampa, Idaho Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-16-2009 05:51 PM                     Gentlemen, Let's get back on topic. I was enjoying the discussion.  |  IP: Logged James B Gardiner Film Handler Posts: 91 From: North Altona, Victoria, Ausrtalia Registered: Feb 2009 posted 09-17-2009 12:55 AM                     Mark, The issue of XPe support, be it 2012 or much later (Which I believe it is) is no problem. Like all DCI players, the system they built it on the day they started is the system it will stay on for the life of the product. Remember it is tested and made sure to work, be reliable and secure. Any upgrades, be in XPe or a Linux type would require re-certification in some way. For example, there is a BUG with the Linux based DCI players and Inode-table sizes. Makes some DCP drives not work. Microsoft will be selling XPe it a VERY long time to come. Especially for the Banks machines, Petrol Pumps and millions of other embedded systems using ti around the world. Please do not muddy this issue with FUD like this. Also, "Brendan Penny" or should I say "Nick Perry", keep it up and get banned again under your fake name..  |  IP: Logged

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