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Brendan Penny
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quote: James B Gardiner
Also, "Brendan Penny" or should I say "Nick Perry", keep it up and get banned again under your fake name..

Actually no James, I do some sub-contracting work for Nick Perry and his company every now and again. What I post on this website is my opinion (more from a movie fan perspective might I add).

You are just upset with my opinion for two reasons:

1) I think Digital is a step backwards from film. This is a threat to you because you are a seller of digital systems. Heaven forbid that I advise any of your perspective clients to stay with film for as long as they can. I'm sorry. I like film. The day I can't get it is the day I stop going to the cinema.
Get over it. It's my opinion and it's not going to change.

2) I constantly warn people to stay away from Xpand beacuse I believe it is a big pile of [bs] As an exclusive Xpand dealer I can see how this could be bad for you and this is why you come to the aid of Peter....A perspective $.

I will fix this for you.

I hereby recommend Qube Servers, NEC projectors and Xpand 3D. It is the best equipment money can buy.

That pretty much sums up your dealership doesn't it? Happy?

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Stephen Jones
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We at this stage dont have 3D Digital but I belive its on its way very soon.The interesting thing is that the local Village Cinema has it and so far we still out do them at the box office with 35mm version of Digital 3D films,actually patrons ask if its in 3D or not and when told its 2D they all say thank heavens as they Do not like 3D Digital so is all this Digital 3D and its high price tag really neaded, I am starting to thinK that it isn't.Digital will only be cost effective when cinemas in Australia start to show everything in that format.I cant see the point of having a few Digital projectors and a few 35mm projectors in a complex as far as I am concerned its either all Digital or nothing.35mm will be here for some time yet.
Hey Brenndan I didnt Know you were also Nick, so who is the other guy that comes down to my site then?Catch up with you soon Buddy [thumbsup]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: James B Gardiner
Microsoft will be selling XPe it a VERY long time to come
I'll bet you a hundred bucks they don't sell it for a very long time... It's simply not how Microsoft operates nor wold D-Cinema matter to them in the least, they need to gnerate $$ flow to survive so they traditionally discontinue support for the old when the new arrives. You can bet they'll have Windows 7e or something similar available within a year after the release of the standard versions... It would also offer many advantages such as better SSD interface and even more stability that XP ever had. Sorry James but they don't sit still up there in Redmond WA.!!

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Phil Blake
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quote: Brendan Penny
1) I think Digital is a step backwards from film.
Well I don't sell the stuff just operate it. Digital in my eyes is a step forward , it is in its early days maybe the machines are not as robust and reliable as mechanical projectors but given time i am sure they will be.
I think a lot of people just don't like change. Some reckoned the horse was still better than the car , well don't see a lot riding horses on the roads these days.

I started with reel to reel with carbons and slowly migrated to platters xenons and automation. I now find with my health issues Digital is still allowing me to continue my passion in this industry without the physical input needed with film.carting boxes of film upstairs can now be difficult for me.
and i do believe one can still put passion into digital shows with careful programming and presentation that can be achieved by a laptop.

Our recent digital installation is giving good results the image is very good and now i have automated it, the ease of operation is quite simple. I think in time many 35mm film projectors will be finding good homes in museums, next to the horse and cart.

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Demetris Thoupis
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Nothing that an upgrade can't fix Mark. If you managed to integrate that MI system on an 'ancient' Barco, and if Doremi will be still in business (which shows they will) I doubt they will leave that thing go pass so perhaps they will intergrate a newer OS or a different OS in their existing machine. Although I am not sure how that affects DCI compliance although no one even knows when production companies will start actually requesting full DCI. Remember the DTS6D which used a 486 processor? It was still supported until this year which is not a bad going almost 20 years after.
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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I completely agree Demetris!! It'll just involve loading in a new OS for the server. You would think that what ever Windows does come out with to replace XPe that it'll be machine to machine compatable or just require some small upgrade to work out.

quote: Phil Blake
the machines are not as robust and reliable as mechanical projectors
I disagree. All the gear I've worked with is extremely reliable. Not that some of the projectors still don't have a bug or two in them... doesn't affect the reliability or the on screen performance...

Mark

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James B Gardiner
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Mark,
I don't like doing this, but I feel compelled.
The published support lifetime for XPe is until:
XP Embedded has a Life Cycled to 2017, Standard Embedded (the newly released Embedded OS that would run the Qube environment) is Life Cycled till 2024, etc

Rather than sprout opinion, research the facts;
http://www.xppro2016.com/lifecycle

Like I said Mark, please do not spread FUD. It is for this reason, the use of FUD in the industry, that I started the www.cinetechgeek.com website.
Cinema owners need to make decisions based on good and true information.
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Brendon (or Nick on as Brendon), I make comment on your posts as they are derogitory, "This is shit, that is crap". Film-tech is a community website in which those in the cinema industry can discuss their industry. If you want to put forward an opinion about a product, state your opinion and some reasons why. Add to the sites knowledge.

If you worked for any of the companies I am a part owner in, I would severely reprimand you for how you behave. If you kept it up, you would be fired. In my companies we put a very honest foot forward and are willing to discuss any aspects of the technology in question. They all have qualities that make them more applicable for certain purposes. We would not recommend a product that is not suited for the purpose.

We believe to be honest with your exhibition clients is best. We may loose a job now and then to the, sell it at all costs type supplier, but we can sleep at night, and are likely to be here in the long term.

James

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Mike Babb
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FUD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_urination_device

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Brendan Penny
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quote: Phil Blake
Digital is still allowing me to continue my passion in this industry
That's great Phil. This may be true for you if you have a medical condition as you explained. However, when sites start to do full digital conversions there is going to be another object stuck between the 35mm projector and horse & cart at the museum. It's called a projectionist. I don't think Digital is going to be the answer for any budding career projectionist! The passion will end for most.

quote: James B Gardiner
Brendon (or Nick on as Brendon), I make comment on your posts as they are derogitory, "This is shit, that is crap". Film-tech is a community website in which those in the cinema industry can discuss their industry. If you want to put forward an opinion about a product, state your opinion and some reasons why. Add to the sites knowledge.
Janes, that's completely unfair. So I should refer to you as James Gardiner AKA Martin Gardiner AKA Mike Smith??? www.d-cine.net Course not. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. As for my credentials, I have worked as a projectionist for over 10 years. I have actually worked IN the exhibition industry. You come across as a bit of a tourist who may know a bit about the relevance of an outdated operating system but that's about it. I'm not challenging the relevance of XPe cause I know nothing about it. Maybe you should take a same approach as to the entire exhibition industry??

I actually find your cinetechgeek website to be full of 'Female Urination Devices' because on most of your topics you seem to have very little knowledge on what you are talking about. Like the RealD XL video. You introduce yourself as the installer but then admit you don't even really know how it works. That's not educational my friend, that's scary.. (By the way, not a good idea to stack all you amps and sound processor under the projector without even 1 RU of rack space ventilation. Those Panastereo's tend to run a little hot my friend. I'll give you 8 to 12 months before you do your first power supply of sub excavator card.) Not that you need my advice. You clearly know everything.

The reason I don't get 'fired' as you put it is because this is my opinion and has nothing to do with any of the companies that I work for. You know, the Nazi's believed in censorship too. So everyone at your workplace can't have an opinion is that what you are saying? If one of your employees didn't like Xpand that would be game over for them?? Sounds like an awesome working environment you have there.

Just so it's absolutely clear in you head. (I have already given my reasons why I think Xpand is crap in other posts.) I found it incredibly dull, the glasses were uncomfortable/expensive/batteries. It gave me a headache after 15 minutes. It is my opinion. All the other 3D systems I don't have a problem with. I just didn't like this one. Get over it.

[fu]

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Like I said james... I'll bet $100.00 on it!! What you're more likely to see is the Qube server completely disappear in the next year or two in favor of some Qube Media Block for the Generation 2 projectors. So sell what stuff today you want to because it'll be obsolete in a short time ayway. The actual truth is that now is the best time not to be selling any D-Cinema gear at all. Wait and see what is implemented with Gen. 2 before your customers finance to the hilt or spend their lifes savings.

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Demetris Thoupis
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Some updates I've found out today. Barco is working on a full tripple flash 1.2 unit which will be out probably early 2010. The unit will probably have an interchangable engine to accomodate a 4K modification in the future.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Demetris... We seem to have lost James... for what ever reason...

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Peter Castle
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Can someone point me towards details about the "generation 2" DCI projectors? All I can find is a mention on Christie's site, when talking about their next 2K/4K projectors that they can contain an "optional" media block and using one board instead of 3 for image generation. TI's site and dlp.com mention nothing, while everywhere else indicates the current projectors are second generation (the first being 1.3K).

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Just call Christie and ask them. They'll fill you in. Or just wait till Show West and attend it. Manufacturers are scurring to get them ready.

Mark

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Demetris Thoupis
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James? Are you lost?

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