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Author Topic: Series 2 NEC projectors: Anyone? Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-18-2010 10:55 PM                     the NEC will use regular cinema lamps if one puts in the right adapters  |  IP: Logged Brendan Penny Expert Film Handler Posts: 121 From: Bundoora, Australia Registered: Dec 2008 posted 05-19-2010 12:52 AM                     Mark, 1) Is it really called communicator software? Is Barco going to sue someone? 2) What is so great about Eprad pedestals? I have never seen one. 3) Does it still have 'crazy wires' on the inside? 4) What is so good about it compared to other brands? I mean, other than the superficial, just opened a new toy, excited reasons? Communicator software? Welcome, been done. Touch Panel. Ahhh been done too. Accept 4kw lamps as mid sized projector. Been done. Different level access privileges. Done Performs well. Well its only been 3 days yeah? Unless it shits out 3D glasses or something I am having trouble getting excited. Sounds like someone has been playing catch-up is all.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 05-19-2010 01:33 AM                     quote: Gordon McLeod NEC will use regular cinema lamps if one puts in the right adapters NEC usually send with their units, a cathode adapter with the use of the "horizontal short" (HS) bulb under 4k. The 4k horizontal short bulb has a large cathode end about 17mm in diameter whereas the other short bulbs have a narrow 1/4" pin on the cathode end. This is where this adapter fits over that narrow pin to be used into the Cathode clamp of the NEC unit. quote: Brendan Penny Unless it shits out 3D glasses or something I am having trouble getting excited I take it that Brendan needs to do an install by himself to understand the excitment ...  |  IP: Logged Brendan Penny Expert Film Handler Posts: 121 From: Bundoora, Australia Registered: Dec 2008 posted 05-19-2010 03:54 AM                     quote: Monte L Fullmer I take it that Brendan needs to do an install by himself to understand the excitment ... Monte, I have done more installs than you can say 'NEC' in any given post....  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-19-2010 07:22 PM                     Yes, any Osram and perhaps a couple of other cinema projector lamps are approved for use in the NEC. They give you the cathode adapter with the projector. They call their software "Digital Cinema Communicator". The Eprad bases have all power distribution as well as automation facilities built in if you so desire. There is a basic model that is well... just a base. For power distributed bases just add a 30 amp three phase feed and it covers typical house requirements just as a film projector console would. Makes retrofitting digital in place of these types of filum consoles a snap. They have 4 different models depending on what you need or want including one with two racks with enough room to contain the sound system. They are very heavy and hence very solid and the top tilting plate the projector sits on is easy to adjust. yes... you adjust the tilt of the top plate just like a film projector base not by some long stupid screw out feet! Built in wiring channels inside the base separate high voltage from low voltage, etc. Facilities for UPS are also provided if so desired. Mark  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-20-2010 08:39 AM                     Actualy now that I think about it Brendan it is obviously you that has some catching up to do... And there are already a number of NEC 2000s in Austrailia. It's obvious you didn't install them or you'd know about the software and the bases... And how nice the 2000 is... Markl  |  IP: Logged Brendan Penny Expert Film Handler Posts: 121 From: Bundoora, Australia Registered: Dec 2008 posted 05-21-2010 04:47 PM                     Hey I didn't say anything bad about NEC! All I asked is why you are so giddy about them is all. Just interested. I'm sure there are some NEC's around here somewhere. I have seen some of the first gen stuff hence why I ask details on the improvements but still....no specifics. Anyway, my point is that you openly went out of your way about a year ago to post how bad NEC digital projectors were. If I recall, you even posted a picture on here to make your point did you not? Do you need me to go find that post for you? Regardless of that, of course you are entitled to change your opinion. I was just curious as to what has changed on the projector to prompt your flip flop! Flip Flop Gulbrandsen!!  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-21-2010 05:18 PM                        As fast as the digital world (and the world in general) is changing, anyone who does NOT flip-flop occasionally is probably not to be trusted!  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Weigel Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1062 From: Edmond, OK, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 05-21-2010 05:48 PM                     Maybe the NEC engineers read some of his posts about how untidy the inside of their Gen 1's were and incorporated some of his suggestions. And I'm sure there were many FE's that complained too. They were quite a rats nest.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-22-2010 10:38 PM                     quote: Brendan Penny my point is that you openly went out of your way about a year ago to post how bad NEC digital projectors were Actually NEC projectors have always performed quite well, they were indeed a rats nest though. The Generation 2 is the exact opposite and I urge you to go see and examine one. I have photos of the insides of a 2000 but posting them here makes little meaning as to what they have really done. My flip flopping is generally for a very good reason. This time quality of equipment vs. cost. The NEC can't be beat for price and quality, it's that simple. You may as well stand and throw thousands into a camp fire with the other brands because you are not getting any more value for the thousands more you spend. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-23-2010 12:52 PM                     That is not entirely true. The same size lamp (wattage) in the various brands DO perform differently. A 4KW lamp in a Barco will yield 18000 lumens...in an NEC that may be as low as 11900 lumens if you use the "long life lamp". If you use their high brightness lamp, you will get 17000 lumens BUT at a 500 hour life span (similar to Sony). There will be a new lamp coming out in July that will split the difference...1000 hours and 14000 lumens. Thus, the typical Barco 3K system will outperform (light wise) the typical NEC system running 4K lamps...the Barco is cheaper to operate at the same lumen level. Christie can hit 17000 lumens with the special CDXL-30SD. So the Christie can get brighter but that special lamp cost about 40% more than the 4K lamps in the other machines (but saves 30% on electricity). I find them more equal in the large projector department, light wise. If you are going for Dolby 3D...Barco has a HUGE advantage in their smaller projectors cost wise. You can order a DP2K-20C with the Dolby color wheel built in and it is about 35% cheaper than putting in any of the other projectors. To top it off, the DP2K-20C is the brightest and cheapest to operate at that lumen level. The down side is that Barco does not support anamorphic lenses on their "C" series projectors...that will cost you up to 25% of your light if you have horizontal maskings...a non issue if you have vertical maskings. Both Christie and NEC have anamorphic solutions for the mid sized projectors (Barco has it if you go for the "B" series). As such, things are not as cut and dried as Mark makes them out to be. In a 2D small machine, the NEC price advantage comes into play a bit more. Then there is service and support. I can't comment on NEC yet (we have one coming soon though)...both Christie and Barco have shown they can shine or really need to work on support. I'm happy to say that my experiences have improved with time though...with Barco, I normally get a team response if I have a question or issue and what problems have been encountered have been resolved almost immediately. Steve  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-23-2010 06:47 PM                     Steve, I think you are overlooking the CBG Real-D deal. It moves the NEC into the least expensive cash up front 3-D digital system. Real-D also integrates the easiest with the NECs. Dolby is still the "cheapest in the long run" system and best performing IMHO.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-23-2010 07:42 PM                     How do you figure that Real D integrates easiest with NEC? Three bolts and Real D is on the Barco. Not exactly difficult. And again...when it comes to lamp costs...that is an ongoing concern for an exhibitor. Steve  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-23-2010 08:23 PM                     I believe in reality if you do your own tests on the same screen with the same lamp and same lens you'll find that both projectors are almost capable of the same lumens. Optically, they more or less use the same components... using Ushio designed reflectors, heat filters, and 45 deg. mirrors. NEC's reflectors happen to also be made by Ushio although BARCO may have someone else producing their's in Germany. Mark  |  IP: Logged

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