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Bobby Henderson
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Here in Lawton we have a local example of plenty of customers not choosing "Digital."

The Showplex Cinemas' Central Mall 12 (formerly run by Dickinson Theaters) is the most visited theater in Lawton Fort Sill. It is NOT the best theater in town. Its screens are small, the booth hardware and sound systems are low rent, only 2 auditoriums have DTS while the others are running some form of optical stereo or mono. The theater's concept of stadium seating is pretty funny; you have a few rows of rising seats in the rear with most of the seats up front mounted to a flat floor. Last December the theater had one digital projector installed along with Real-D to show Avatar.

Additionally, seeing a movie in the Central Mall 12 is an experience comparable to torture with all the unruly patrons in the place. Lots of noisy teens who compulsively play with their phones can be found in this theater.

The Carmike 8 is a much better complex. All 8 screens are equipped with Chrisite 2K CP2000 projectors. Three are equipped with Real-D systems. 2 still have 35mm in service. Screens #4 and #5 were originally built for THX certification. All 8 screens have 5.1 surround systems featuring better amps, speakers, etc. The Carmike 8's screens are significantly bigger than the mall theater's screens; the auditoriums have higher seating capacity as well. The theater's seating was converted to stadium style seating a few years ago; the slope runs for all rows unlike the Central Mall theater. On top of that, the theater has a manager who actually gives a damn about keeping things maintained and he has managed the theater since it opened in 1994.

The Carmike 8 on Lawton's west side is "all digital" and was that way before hardly any theaters in Oklahoma City or Tulsa had much of anything digital at all. Nevertheless, the Central Mall 12 theater here in Lawton is the most visited theater in town only because it is in the mall.

A decent number of people here in town have insisted on driving to Lawton's west side to see movies at the Carmike location for its better show quality, but that's been the case well before its digital projectors were installed. Not enough people seem to care about the technical superiority to knock the Central Mall 12 out of its top spot on audience attendance.

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Victor Liorentas
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In London the top grossing plex is a 12 screen Silvercity built by Famous Players but now owned by Cineplex Odeon.
It opened in 1999 and has boasted stadium seating wall to wall giant curved screens.
In 2009 Cineplex built a new all digital 11 plex at the other end of town which after the grand opening hype dropped well below the Silvercity numbers for attendance because the location of Silvercity is better and the screens are bigger.
4 of the 12 screens are now digital but it is not the selling point,location and screen size have kept this puppy on top!
Everyone i talk to is clueless regarding film vs digital!
The presentation at the new all digital 11 plex is a disappointment over all.I was ready to hate it from the get go but wow does it suck! Screens are curved wrong,projectors keystone from being off center,pictures are dark,sloppy masking,bloated sound with one note bass and sound leaking into other auditoriums! I have not been in every auditorium but it is not what i expected from a new flagship digital miracle!

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Jake Spell
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quote: Bobby Henderson
A decent number of people here in town have insisted on driving to Lawton's west side to see movies at the Carmike location for its better show quality
This has to be the first time this statement has ever been made. Carmike seemed to hate anything to do with maintenance around here, not managements fault, they simply wouldn't pay for ANYTHING!!!

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Mike Blakesley
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Jake - there are Carmikes around the country which are well-maintained and well-run. Bobby lives in such an area, and Film-Techer Dustin Mitchell works at a well-run Carmike too.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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apparently the first 4K DLP commercial release is Battle: Los Angeles playing as such at the Galaxy Cinemas Waterloo

"Cypress, Calif—Mar 10, 2011

Epic Action Movie Lined Up for World’s First 4K DLP Cinema Projection
Cineplex Entertainment debuts 4K screening with Christie Solaria 4K DLP cinema projector

Cineplex Entertainment (“Cineplex”) (TSX: CGX) will debut a world-first showing of a movie in 4K DLP® cinema for moviegoers this week at Galaxy Cinemas Waterloo, using the new Christie® CP4200 platform. "

- D-Cinema Today

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Tom Petrov
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I thought 4K presentations were here and there. Wasn't True Grit or Social Network 4K?

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Mark Ogden
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quote: Jonathan Goeldner
Cineplex Entertainment (“Cineplex”) (TSX: CGX) will debut a world-first showing of a movie in 4K DLP® cinema for moviegoers this week
Crock of [bs] . There have been on-and-off 4K screenings for years. The DaVinci Code ran in 4K at both the Arclight and the AMC Century City in Los Angeles as early as 2006.

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Daniel Schulz
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Those earlier commercial 4K screenings were Sony's SXRD, not DLP. No idea if this is in fact the first commercial 4K DLP, but it's at least plausible.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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there was an industry screening of 'North By Northwest' in 4K DLP (to showcase the technology), but this is the first news I've read that a commercial release of a film (in 4K DLP hard-drive form) has been made available to the public to view first hand.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Mark Ogden
Crock of . There have been on-and-off 4K screenings for years. The DaVinci Code ran in 4K at both the Arclight and the AMC Century City in Los Angeles as early as 2006.
None of those you refer to, though, were DLP, for what it's worth.

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Joe Redifer
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Took 'em long enough.

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Carsten Kurz
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They were trying to show the remastered 'Taxi Driver' in 4k during Berlinale in February on Barco 4k DLP. Unfortunately, they ended up with issues around the IMB and couldn't show it in 4k, only 2k. Should have gone with Sony, it seems.

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Jonathan Goeldner
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^ speaking of which:
in regards to next week's two-night screening of TAXI DRIVER - it seems to be a Sony 4K "exclusive", since the intent and purpose of the screening is to showcase and demonstrate the 4K restoration/presentation without downrezzing it to 2K

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Bobby Henderson
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quote: Carsten Kurz
They were trying to show the remastered 'Taxi Driver' in 4k during Berlinale in February on Barco 4k DLP. Unfortunately, they ended up with issues around the IMB and couldn't show it in 4k, only 2k.
I wonder if it was a bandwidth issue (hardware couldn't handle it). While it's possible to compress down 4K imagery within the 250Mb/sec DCI limit using JPEG2000 (it that spec still current or did they raise the bandwidth ceiling?) when the imagery is decompressed for the projector it will require 4 times the bandwidth or 4 times the pixel count of 2K. A setup only designed for uncompressed 2K bandwidth just isn't going to handle 4K.

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Tom Petrov
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quote: Jonathan Goeldner
in regards to next week's two-night screening of TAXI DRIVER - it seems to be a Sony 4K "exclusive", since the intent and purpose of the screening is to showcase and demonstrate the 4K restoration/presentation without downrezzing it to 2K
What is really odd is that in Toronto, the TIFF Lightbox just printed a new print of Taxi Driver. Over in Waterloo, they just watched a brand new print of Back to The Future.

There is new 35mm prints of these movies out there.

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