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Mike Frese
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
But, one question: Would you know if the VPF program be available for these subs and discount theatre owners?

thx-monte

Monte,
As far as I know, the only program that might include those are the Cinedign program IF you are a CBG by an earlier date. it is only good if you play a movie within it's first 6 weeks (sorry I said 4 earlier). Now this would be for any theater that played less than 85% of their movies on the break.

To those who are looking at the number of screens that are being converted: look instead at the box office gross of the screens that have been converted. 70% of the mainstream locations gross approx. 95% of a movie's total gross. That is when there are 4000+ locations. 4 movies the last 12 mos have been released at more than 4000 locations.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Interesting - gonna be bliss for some and hell for others to do the changeover.

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Mike Frese was the last to post
Cinedign
That's Cinedigm, with an M at the end. The only guy who pronounces it "sin-a-dine" is Bill Campbell, head of the CBG. I'm amazed someone at Cinedigm hasn't corrected him on that little detail.

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Monte L Fullmer
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...could call it by it's old name "AccessIT" ...

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Mike Frese
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Thanks Mike for pointing out my mistake on Cinedigm (spell check does not recognize that as a correct spelling).

I had heard that Mr. Campbell has recently converted. What is sad is that because of the secrecy of the deals (unnecessary IMHO) no one from CBG with any position can come on this or other forums and offer clarification. They extended their deadline to join but did not bother to broadcast it. When was the last time someone from the CBG participated in any discussion?

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Brad Miller
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
But, one question: Would you know if the VPF program be available for these subs and discount theatre owners?
Sub-run theaters are tricky, but yes Film-Tech's DCS system has a very good VPF program available. Contact sales@film-tech....... (you know the rest) for specific information.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Brad...

Cinedigm has developed a mini server rack for those doing move overs and sub run. Wondering if you are doing something similar on that? The rack I believe is in the 8 to 10 grand price range so as to keep the cost in line for these folks.

Mark

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Brad Miller
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As you know, specifics on VPFs really can't be discussed, but no our VPF system is a lower cost solution.

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Tim OBrien
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quote: Mike Frese
And god forbid share your VPF details with others in order to see if they make sense
quote: Brad Miller
As you know, specifics on VPFs really can't be discussed...
1) Why are the VPF deals shrouded in mystery and ambiguity?

2) Why aren't exhibitors demanding transparency from the integrators?

3) Why isn't the legality of these backroom-brokered deals being challenged?

4) Why do I need to sign a NDA to get information from the integrators?

5) Why does Cinedigm continue to ignore my emails?

6) What the hell does everyone else seem to know that I don't?

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Mike Frese
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Sony, GDC, & Film-Tech as integrators have been prompt on returning emails and phone calls. Cinedigm is horrible at both. Good to have choices.

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Per Hauberg
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In Denmark (as most other places, I guess), VPF-money are only for those theatres, who can afford the conversion themselves. Why should distributors want to help small cinemas, in which they don't earn anything worth mentioning.
I'm selling somewhere between 25 and 30.000 tickets a year, and would never be considered worth that kind of investment. I've been here for 38 years this week, and I'm not ready to just close down, but I have understood the words: Digitalize or die !
So simple is it !
Screen 1 - 88 seats - 2 Philips Dp70 in fine shape, DTS and Dolby Ex - everything to run my time out, but what is that worth, when 35mm has gone in less than a year from now.-Ergo: One Kinoton DCP30 in and one Dp70 out (sic!), total expence about 950.000 Danish Kroner (ticket price to compare is 70 for grown-ups, 55 for kids). Danish minister of culture, last autumn aired the idea of supporting the 90 smallest cinemas (from my size and down) 200.000 DKK to help going on. That made the two big chains (The Nordisk Film Cinemas and german-owned CinemaxX file a complain at the European Commonship about disturbing the competition ! This came from the same people that othervise spend their time, telling everybody that those 90 small cinemas are representing 2% of the total danish box-office only. But even small pebbles should be disarmed !
My colleques and I still hope to get this support. I may have two private sponsors coming in, too - af if they do, I guess, I will go for my 39 seat Screen 2, too. Othervise, my place will wil return to single screen next spring, digitalized by one private investor - me ! But on it goes !!
I have great wounds of the investment, but I do enjoy my new projector and the possiblities, it gives - accepting the minor pull-downs, as the missing move-over.
A Kinoton Scaler is handling the picture-signal from the Philips BluRay player, with a "Teufel"-box directing the sound to the proper inputs of the CP650, giving real nice quality on alternate shows. -And it was mentionned earlier in this tread, a USB stick in the BluRay opens the doors to "very local oriented contents".
I've got my hands free of the make-up table, and can now take over the job in the combined ticket- and concessions stand.
Not bad at all !

[beer]

Per

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Jim Cassedy
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
a major savings in payroll and the elimination of presentation errors
Horsepucky! Another great example of a technology being touted
as 'the grestest thing since sliced bread' but which is in
reality an excuse to cut corners and eliminate skilled labor.
Remember - "you get what you pay for"

Most of the recent media attention I've seen given to poor
image quality has to do with digital projecton. And, quite
frankly, most of the lousy 35mm presntations I've seen lately
have been caused by the result of CRAPPY LAB WORK, as I've
posted elsewhere on this forum.

Let's face it- - both systems can (and will) look bad once
you take dedicated, skilled operators and regular maintenance
out of the equasion.

Sure, new digital installations look great. But a few years
down the road as the equipment ages and theater owners take
the same amount of "care" they do with their present equipment,
it will only be a matter of time before digital looks just as
'bad' as some people claim 35mm looks today. The problem isn't
35mm film, it's the fact that a lot of it is being run by people
who have no business being in a projection booth. (A situation
largely made possible by the introduciton of platters, which
allowed almost any idiot to "run" a show. And now we're
digitally dumbing down the projection proceess further. )

I think at some point, even a mediocre lawyer will see the
opportunity of a big anti-trust conspiracy lawsuit given
the deterimental effec the closing of hundreds of buisnesses
and putting thousands of people out of work would have; and
that's precisely what 'digital media moguls' and distributors
are conspiring to do. You can't create conditions that force
a business to buy your systems. At some point, either lawsuits
or legislation will stop, or at least greatly retard, this nonsense.

I'm sure "digital" is in the future- - but not without a fight!

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Brad Miller
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quote:
quote: Monte L Fullmer a major savings in payroll and the elimination of presentation errors

Horsepucky! Another great example of a technology being touted
as 'the grestest thing since sliced bread' but which is in
reality an excuse to cut corners and eliminate skilled labor.
Remember - "you get what you pay for"

I feel a bit of clarification is needed here. With the design of the DCS system, Monte is correct. I don't know of any other setup out there that can honestly claim that though.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Yet true, film presentation is also perfect if all factors to make it be is there to make it perfect. But unfortunately, it takes skilled and proper training to keep that system perfect, and that is what the industry is losing.

Digital comes along to make it easy to bridge that expanding gap of the lack of skill and proper training so the presentation can remain perfect.

Instead of the time to build a film trailer pak and film assembly, now it takes no more than 5 min to build a trailer pack, edit in a whim if necessary, save the playlist and do a test screening, where you can go forward and backward at the click of the mouse.

And what's a bit interesting is that we can still retain our "purist" feelings for 35mm and carry them over to digital, for these units still need our care ... just in a different way...

...and that can still be an exciting adventure to go after.

...just give it a chance.

Yes, I know that projecting film movies is form of art and the industry is taking that art form away from us who love it and it does hurt deep inside. But, as Brad mentioned that we must get over it - we can't fight it since we all are so horribly outnumbered by the studio's decisions.

And if this affects the one to keep a job within the industry and face either potiental layoffs, or position changes within the industry, a choice is eventually given to those affected: either make the change, or go down different avenues to begin anew with a new career....and I, myself is seeing the "Y" approaching in the road and I have to think on which leg of this "Y" am I going to go.

good luck, all-Monte

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
I know that projecting film movies is form of art and the industry is taking that art form away from us
I think it's all in how you look at it. To me the "art" is presenting a good show, no matter what medium it's presented in. That means the lights go off and come on when they're supposed to, you have a good mix of trailers geared to the feature you're playing, there is a sound snipe or a policy clip (or both), the picture is bright and in focus, the show starts on time and the crowd is managed. All of these things still manually controlled with digital.

I get just as much pleasure out of putting on a good presentation for the folks with the digital as I did with film.

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