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Chris Slycord
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So even if you kept your 35mm projector in alongside the other for those you deal with who can't distribute digital yet, they'd still not work with you?

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Jen Pelto
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I think this was a threat if we did away with our 35mm altogether.

(My husband was the one who actually had the conversation with the film rep).

IFC puts out a lot of blu-rays for theatrical exhibition, so I'm not really sure what the problem is.

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Jenn Jennings
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Hi,
Yes we did meet when I came with Michael Moore to your fundraiser. I used to be his assistant and am now in film school (with his blessing). I've been collecting a lot of stories like yours. We are planning to come to MI to film a few other theaters and if we do, I'll contact you to see if you want to be a part of it as well.

Thanks for your post!

Jenn Jennnings

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Victor Liorentas
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Hi Jen and Jenn! I am a projectionist at the Hyland Cinema in London Ontario.I also help run the theater in general and we are one of those single screen theaters playing art,indie,international and rep classics whose future is a big unknown in regards to forced digital conversion.
I gave a interview about film in general which is on youtube under Hyland Cinema.
We tried to get Michael Moore to come to our theater when we played Sicko.Some of it was shot in London.The man from Windsor Ontario who explained the origins of the Canadian Health care system to Michael on the golf course drove 2 hours several times to see Sicko at the Hyland!
The best of luck with your film.
[Smile]

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Joseph Matteo
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Film News

Posted: Mon., Jul. 18, 2011, 9:00am PT -- Variety online
Print edition, Daily Variety, July 19, 2011

Lab pact heralds twilight of film
Deluxe, Technicolor agree to combine film services
By David S. Cohen

The death knell for 35mm film production has just gotten a lot louder.

Citing collapsing demand for film prints as theaters shift to digital projectors, lab giants Technicolor and Deluxe have struck subcontracting agreements that edge them toward an end to their century-old competition in 35mm release printing.

Under the agreements, Deluxe will take over 35mm release printing for the major studios in the U.S. and Canada beginning this week. Technicolor will exit the 35mm print business in those territories and Monday shuttered its print plant in Mirabel, Quebec, resulting in the loss of 178 jobs. It will retain its print lab in Montreal for small orders. (The new Technicolor plant in Glendale, Calif., will specialize in 65mm and 70mm prints.)

Deluxe will exit the film print distribution business in the U.S., contracting that work out to Technicolor facilities in Ontario, Canada, and Wilmington, Ohio. As a result, Deluxe will close its print distribution depots in the U.S. in September. Once the deals are in full effect, almost all U.S. film prints will be struck at a Deluxe lab but distributed by Technicolor.

Outside North America, Technicolor's Thailand plant will take over release printing for Deluxe in the territory, ending Deluxe's existing relationship with a local affiliate; and within a week Technicolor will take over front-end processing of 35mm and 16mm film negatives for Deluxe in the U.K. That processing will be done out of Technicolor's Pinewood facility.

Deluxe said in a statement that the move comes "as a result of digital image capture overtaking film capture."

Drabinsky

"There is still a very good business on the release print side in North America," Cyril Drabinsky, prexy-CEO of Deluxe Entertainment Services Group told Variety, adding, "35mm release printing in Europe is still very, very healthy."

Drabinsky predicted film printing will continue to decline but that the decline will flatten out over the next five years.

Technicolor, which is governed by French securities laws, is under a quiet period in advance of its July 28 earnings report and could not make its executives available for comment.

However, both companies stress that these are subcontracting agreements, and that they are not forming a new joint venture. In effect, each of the long-standing rivals becomes the other's client in a narrow part of their business.

And those areas are indeed narrow. Technicolor and Deluxe continue to have rival printing operations, at least for now, in London, Rome and Spain. Deluxe has a print plant in Australia serving the Asia-Pacific region; Technicolor serves that region from its Thai facility. Companies will also continue to offer competing front-end services such as color grading and mastering.

The companies cited the rapidly diminishing demand for film prints as the driver behind the deals. They expect more than half the screens in North America to be digital by the end of 2011.

Both companies have been shifting their business away from photochemical processing and printing and diversifying into post-production and digital services. The deals do not affect production or distribution of digital cinema packages.

Both companies' plants will continue to use both Kodak and Fuji print stock and the companies say they are committed to maintaining the same quality their clients are used to. Deluxe and Technicolor expect their existing studio deals to continue unaffected by these subcontracting arrangements.

The studios were not apprised of the deals in advance, nor were Technicolor's employees at Mirabel, who got pinkslips Monday.

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Jenn Jennings
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Thanks to all that have given me direction! It is so very helpful!

Jenn

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Jen Pelto
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Give us a ring -- we've had plenty of support to go digital (including high pressure and threats) as well as digital opposition, for us to stay loyal to 35mm.

I think you do have a good story here -- the film industry is on the cusp of some major changes. Going digital is expensive and scary (for me). Some argue a lot of indie theaters are going to be closing their doors if they don't make the switch.

I personally think it's going to dramatically change the way people make movies, the types of venues available for audiences, and yes -- I'm going to say it! -- the content that is released to theaters.

Making film is probably a lot more expensive than a digital version, but with the smaller arthouses left in the dust, are big chains really going to jump on picking up arthouse titles and allowing them a hearty theatrical run? Not the megaplex I love to hate in my neck of the woods!

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Victor Liorentas
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I agree that the hecktoplex will not typically pick up the films we currently play.

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William F Green
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Just to give people an update on the 35mm print situation here in the UK..

We have just tried to book a 35mm print of an 'Arty' title and were told that there were only 3 prints around so we are in for a long wait!

Looking back to when that film was released it was showing on just over 40 screens which although a very small release (even by UK standards) just shows how much things are weighted towards an almost all-digital release already.
Another long established 'art-film' distributor here seems to only produce 1 single 35mm print and absolutely no 35mm trailers at all so it seems fairly clear where this is headed even for the art-house market or perhaps even more so than mainstream.

The doc SENNA was also a digital only release here and despite howls of protest from many cinemas that can only run 35mm they never did strike a print. We are not digital yet and have to wait until it's available on DVD/BluRay but that's not a big problem - just a little frustrating to have to wait.

I can't imagine distributors refusing to deal with you for converting to digital BUT I have heard some negative comments from smaller independent distributors about not looking favourably booking films to people on VPF deals - particularly for one-day bookings. For that reason we have avoided VPF's and financed our forthcoming digital kit ourselves.

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Jenn Jennings
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Hi,
We launched our fundraising campaign today and have the teaser trailer. Have a look and if you can, help us get the word out! We want to tell all sides of the story.
http://www.indiegogo.com/TheLostPictureShow

Best,
Jenn Jennings

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Chris Slycord
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quote: William F Green
The doc SENNA was also a digital only release here and despite howls of protest from many cinemas that can only run 35mm they never did strike a print.
Not to stir things up... but here in the States it had at least one 35mm print (I ran one of them).

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Justin Hamaker
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quote: Monte L Fullmer
in which we'll prob be seeing prints being circulated like it was in the olden days
Given the acceleration in digital installs that has happened in the last few months, we are really wondering how this will affect our drive-in for the 2012 season.

Our drive-in has always acted as a move-over screen for our cinema with most movies playing for a week or two at the drive-in following the cinema run. However, it appears virtually every first run theatre within 100 miles will be 100% digital within the next six months.

It's really going to be interesting to see how the dynamics of the market have changed with regard to 35mm prints by summer 2012.

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