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Joe Redifer
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Agreed, the existing places could be made to be good, but that's not gonna happen any time soon, I'm afraid. The Continental has been permanently defaced.

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Tom Petrov
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quote: John Thomas
I rather enjoy our D-IMAX
I do as well. I actually really like the whole DMR process, I also have never ever had an issue with IMAX digital whereas regular 35mm is hit and miss most of the time and you never really know if it is going to be a good presentation.

With 15/70 IMAX, I saw TRON which had a nice big green dot running the whole movie. And IMO there are only a few sweet spots in the 15.70 theater to get good seats.

I often take a look at 35mm of the same movie right after leaving the theater and I always amazed at how bad 35mm can be.

So far I have seen about 10 IMAX Digital movies, never ever had an issue and I have always left happy and satisfied.

AMC charges $15.50 for IMAX Digital while Cineplex Odeon charges $18.99 for 15/70. But Cinepex does charge less for IMAX in each market.

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John Thomas
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Tom, have you been to the D-IMAX to which I was referring? The point of that part of my post was that I don't think all D-IMAX theatres are created equal.

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Tom Petrov
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quote: John Thomas
The point of that part of my post was that I don't think all D-IMAX theatres are created equal.
And I don't think all D-MAX theaters are created either. I always go to the same IMAX at AMC cinema.

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Brad Miller
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I would go to a D-IMAX just to see how it looked (although I've can pretty well predict it), but I lost all interest a number of years back when I realized how many hundreds of miles I had to travel to see a quality IMAX show. Everything in the north Texas area absolutely sucks now.

The Fort Worth OMNI used to be awesome, but they lost their chief projectionist a number of years ago and the print quality really took a nose dive.

The OMNI at the State Fairgrounds has really bad film handling skills, and they are afraid to turn the sound higher than "2".

The Cinemark IMAX at Webb Chapel is just flat out the worst IMAX I've ever been to. The sound was obviously tuned by the moron who tuned the auditorium Joe went to because it was probably the worst sound I've ever heard anywhere. My ears were in pain after the show it was so shrill...and it wasn't even all that loud. The print wasn't scratched, but it was dirty. I saw it on opening day so who knows. I don't even want to give that theater a second chance though my first experience was so bad.

Now regular auditoriums are being converted to "IMAX" and the whole thing has become a tremendous joke. IMAX means absolutely nothing now and will quickly go the way of THX.

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Scott Norwood
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Brad must have really bad luck with Imax, then.

I can honestly say that I have never had a bad Imax experience. I have only been to 15/70 houses and have intentionally avoided the SR and MPX installations. The full-size version is great, though, and presentation quality has been consistently good. I guess I have seen one show that had a field-flattener with a few specks of dirt on half of it, but that is not something that a typical audience member would notice. Sound quality in the Imax installations that I have visited has also been consistently good (with both magnetic and digital playback systems).

I have never worked for the company and have no personal experience working with formats larger than 5/70; all of my experiences with large format motion pictures have been as a paying customer.

I agree that the dumbing down of the brand (SR->MPX->DLP) is stupid and will kill the company eventually, but the "real" Imax installations are still as good as ever.

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Monte L Fullmer
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Looks like digital - both regular and IMAX - definitely isn't the 'golden egg' for the industry..

Patrons are definitely gonna wise up and either demand better, or go somewhere else, and these issues are the 'golden eggs' that the home ET manufacturers are lusting over for.

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Gordon McLeod
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Tom there is no theatre in the world despite what (he who can not be named or quoted on this site) say can have 100% uniform coverage it just defies the laws of physics but what one attempts to do is provide the largest number of optimal seats both visually and sound wise
EG18 was a good starting point

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Tom Petrov
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Gordon- you are right. However, there are some that are far superior than others if you are referring to seating. AMC larger theaters are much better than Cineplex large houses.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Scott Norwood
Brad must have really bad luck with Imax, then.
Scott, the Fort Worth Omni used to be awesome, but other than that one I had to travel to Michigan and the Esquire in California to get a good IMAX presentation. Sadly I never got to see one at the Cinesphere.

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Ben Wales
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Interesting here in the UK, Film Reviewer Mark Kermode claims that 2012 will be the Imax year and is the future and NOT 3D!.

Earlier this year Mark Kermode published a book about the decline of the Projectionist in Cinemas and the loss of Film, now he supports Imax, the system going total Digital within a few years and perhaps visit his local (LieMax) Odeon Imax where it is simply a 2k twin Christie [dlp] Projector on a 50ft screen, no bigger than some other Digital/Film screens!.

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Pravin Ratnam
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I saw this LIEMAX crap for an $8 surcharge on my 6.50 discount ticket for MI4. Regular price was 16 or 18, I forget.

Regal cinema Atlantic Station Atlanta. At first, i wondered where they placed this new addition. Then when I walked in, I realized they just retrofitted one of the existing auditoriums which was not even that huge. I swear the letterboxed image was probably almost the same size as the old screen in that theater. So am I just paying for a crisper looking image and better sound? And that merits twice what I paid for the ticket? And as far as the special IMAX shot scene in the MI4 opening sequence, it was barely 1.85:1 ratio and not the taller ratio we saw in the last Batman movie. Whether that was the way it was shot or the theater just found a way to cut off the top and bottom, I do not know.

Since it was Christmas day, I didn't have the heart to chew out the manager for the chain's misleading IMAX moniker. Even by Liemax standards, that was a small screen. I just remarked in a nice way that I was confused and if I walked into the right auditorium because it did not look like IMAX to me. I mentioned that i saw TDK at the Regal Mall of GA location and that screen looked much bigger. She then said that Regal actually has converted that screen to digital too and if I took the trouble to drive all the way to that far out suburban location, I won't be seeing the same screen that I saw for TDK.

Another thing that looks bad is the the curve at the bottom of the image like a bad TV where the letterbox image does not have a sharp horizontal border and bows a little.

Also I do not understand how overlapping two 2K projectors increases the resolution? Don't both projectors have the same image content? Is it just to increase the intensity of the image??

THe sad thing is the image does look good , but not IMAX good. If regular digital presentations were like this, I would be very happy and would be willing to spend a slightly higher ticket price. But an IMAX surcharge is ridiculous for a LIEMAX screen.

At least the IMAX screen in the AMC Barret Parkway location replaced an old 35MM HUGE screen and so I can at least consider that a mini-IMAX location instead of LIEMAX location.

You know, since 70MM wont make a comeback, how about the digital equivalent of 70MM(yes , I know 4K is more akin to good 35MM, but let's take what we can get) and have 4K or even 8K auditoriums fo the mega screens? How costly is it to make 4K digital intermediates when you factor in the total budget of a typical movie? You won't need such cheap gimmicks like Liemax. Cut out the middle man.

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Tom Petrov
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quote: Pravin Ratnam
THe sad thing is the image does look good
Well there we have it.

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Keegan O'Brien
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quote: Pravin Ratnam
And as far as the special IMAX shot scene in the MI4 opening sequence, it was barely 1.85:1 ratio and not the taller ratio we saw in the last Batman movie. Whether that was the way it was shot or the theater just found a way to cut off the top and bottom, I do not know.
The DLP projectors tallest ratio is 16:9 (give or take)... it's not capable of 1.44:1, which is the original ratio of the IMAX filmed scenes... on 70mm they'll be 1.44:1, like The Dark Knight.

quote: Pravin Ratnam
Also I do not understand how overlapping two 2K projectors increases the resolution? Don't both projectors have the same image content? Is it just to increase the intensity of the image??
It doesn't. It just doubles the brightness... which is really smart for 3D, and really crisp for 2D.

quote: Pravin Ratnam
You know, since 70MM wont make a comeback, how about the digital equivalent of 70MM(yes , I know 4K is more akin to good 35MM, but let's take what we can get) and have 4K or even 8K auditoriums fo the mega screens? How costly is it to make 4K digital intermediates when you factor in the total budget of a typical movie? You won't need such cheap gimmicks like Liemax. Cut out the middle man.
The new IMAX projectors (2013) will be at least 4K.

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Tom Petrov
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quote: Keegan O'Brien
The new IMAX projectors (2013) will be at least 4K.
I believe this counts for only the institutional venues.

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