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Author Topic: Integrated projector/servers Fred L West Film Handler Posts: 24 From: Concrete, Wa USA Registered: Jan 2011 posted 11-19-2012 09:25 PM                     I've been watching the news releases and chatter about the new projectors since we're one of the small theatre's needing to switch and figured I would get your opinions on our needs. We have a 22' ft. wide screen and 65' throw from booth to screen and leaning toward the Barco S2k, mostly because it's what our service tech recommends and it's what he represents. We are going to include the 3D with the purchase and will be upgrading the processor and what ever else is needed also. Sounds like the other projectors are less money and available now instead of late 1st quarter '13 like the Barco. We've been quoted $35,000 plus 3D for the Barco S2k and have the funds for the conversion but if one of the others are $6,000 less for same results it only makes since to consider. We've just reopened/purchased our single screen theatre after being closed for many years and this is all new to us so any input would be helpful. We are currently showing movies Friday-Sunday and are near the end of our fund drive for the digital conversion which I know is a hole different topic on film tech but it was our only hope and has worked out great. Would love to hear everyone's ideas and opinions on our options, it's exciting to know where going digital like all the big boys but confusing too. Thanks Concrete Theatre  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 11-20-2012 02:20 AM                     Which 3D system have you been offered? How many seats? I understand your are scratching with your feet, but you should take the time to wait as long as possible until some experience is there with the S2k machines. The Christie could be an option for you as well. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Ronda Fitzsimmons Film Handler Posts: 75 From: Pottstown, PA, USA Registered: Sep 2002 posted 11-20-2012 11:37 AM                        I'm hearing the NEC is only 4500-5000 lumens. I didn't consider the roll off. Bulb replacements are recommended in pairs at $700-800 for a pair. Even with the small screens,I'm not totally comfortable adding Master Image 3D to the NEC will work. Christie is claiming 8500 ansi lumens, and Barco is claiming 9000. The Christie lamps are sized to the screen, which can be a cost savings too. It will substantially increase the loan payment though. The NEC takes a lot less power, which makes sense at the much lower brightness. These are running with 2 year warranty. Any thoughts on the real lifetime of these units? I'm seriously laughing at the 15 years so many manufacturers are claiming.  |  IP: Logged Olivier Lemaire Expert Film Handler Posts: 118 From: Paris, Ile de France, France Registered: Jan 2010 posted 11-20-2012 02:19 PM                        if I'm correct, theses S2K unit can be placed under (manufacturer) warranty for up to 10 years. So I guess that - if (and only if) correctly serviced - they could run for at least 10 years without major breakage (statistically speaking ...). Only a guess.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 11-21-2012 07:25 PM                     3D with the NEC will be tough. 14fl for up to 30ft screens Gain 1.8 indeed equals around 5000 lumens. And I guess that is peak. Certainly okay for 2D. With 3D, the screen needs to be VERY small and probably Gain 2.4/silver screen. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-21-2012 07:58 PM                        It's weird how this stuff is sized, even for 35mm. In the theatres where I have worked, the most common screen size is about 30' wide (often, but not always, common-height). With 35mm, this is usually just slightly too big to be lit with the most common size lamp (2kw) and really requires a 2500w or 3kw xenon to properly illuminate a screen that size through the life of the lamp. But lots of people cheap out and install 2kw lamps on screens this size. It kind of works, but not really. The same thing will probably happen with these smaller D-cinema projectors: the NEC mentioned above (at least...there might be others) seems to be just slightly underpowered for the most common screen sizes. I'm willing to bet that lots of theatre owners cheap out and install these when they really should be looking at the full-size projectors. A 5k lumen video projector really isn't that impressive, especially since the 5k number is usually pretty optimistic. I have used 7k lumen video projectors on the aformentioned 30' screens for years, and they never quite seem to be bright enough, either. Note that most theatres where I have worked have had 1.0 gain screens, or worse. Non-silver gain screens seem to be a relatively recent thing. (Does the NEC use a xenon lamp or some sort of mercury or metal-halide lamp?)  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 11-22-2012 05:43 PM                     NEC uses two UHP Lamps. It is certainly an economical issue with the S2k machines. These small imagers will not be as light efficient as the larger ones. And OHPs rarely go beyond 300-400Watts anyway. At the same time - the same manufacturers offer their established range of series-II machines. Why should they cannibalize sales for these machines with the much cheaper S2k offerings? - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Bajsic Bojan Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Ljubljana, Si, Eu Registered: Aug 2008 posted 11-22-2012 06:16 PM                     quote: Scott Norwood A 5k lumen video projector really isn't that impressive, especially since the 5k number is usually pretty optimistic. I have used 7k lumen video projectors on the aformentioned 30' screens for years, and they never quite seem to be bright enough, either. where the manufacturers get their lumen numbers is probably the same magical world they get their 1.000.000:1 contrast numbers. UHP lamps have been installed in video projectors for years now, and i don't think anyone manufacturer has a projector out there that can do 7000 ANSI Lm with 600W of UHP power. it is not possible with xenon. and yet they sell these projectors to naive people, who are blinded by big numbers. I saw 7k projectors with a 1.2k xenon on a 30' screen, it looks plenty bright. I also saw even more "7k" projectors with 2x300 UHP on the same 30' screen and i thought about strangling myself with an extension cord right there.  |  IP: Logged Andrew Thomas Master Film Handler Posts: 273 From: Pearland, TX, USA Registered: Jun 2012 posted 11-24-2012 12:36 AM                     Anybody pulled a quote on the Christie Solaria One? I've been able to get quotes on the NEC and Barco S2K units, but nothing on the Christie.  |  IP: Logged Bajsic Bojan Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Ljubljana, Si, Eu Registered: Aug 2008 posted 11-24-2012 04:20 AM                     in us. info on the net is the quotes are in the $36.000 range including lens and server. here (yurp) i got quotes for roughly €46.000. figures.  |  IP: Logged Olivier Lemaire Expert Film Handler Posts: 118 From: Paris, Ile de France, France Registered: Jan 2010 posted 11-24-2012 08:32 AM                        I saw quotes for Solaria One+ (with motorized zoom) at 33 K€ in Europe. The Solaria One (with fixed lens) could drop around 2 K€ below.  |  IP: Logged

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