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Author Topic: Bringing Projector & Server out of storage (2 years w/o power) Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-24-2015 08:57 AM                     The battery warning comes up if the IMB is not connected, as well as after 4 years if it is. Just another quirk of the software. Almost every server package you run through the log analyzer shows "frozen" errors on CRU or USB drives, I'm not too sure why. Usually there's quite a lot of useless data in storage/clranup when there are a lot of those errors listed, so it has something to do with failed ingests.  |  IP: Logged Michael Wilkinson The Entertainment King of Colusa and Beyond Posts: 89 From: Colusa, CA USA Registered: Apr 2004 posted 11-24-2015 04:55 PM                        Carsten, Dave: I'm not going to worry too much about the battery warnings until I get the system completely powered up. I've left the projector plugged in for a couple of days and connected the internal UPS in case that will be of some help. I have the medeco keys for the projector and all of the keys for the server. The lamp door lock looks quite original. Another member of the forums is sending a key this way so we will soon know. I wasn't too keen on drilling into one of these projectors if it could be avoided. The three HDDs, USB and CRU slots seem to be fine. There is an identical HDD in the 4th slot that does not light up. Presumably a spare. The RAID configuration states that it is healthy. Thanks everyone!  |  IP: Logged Stephan Shelley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 854 From: castro valley, CA, usa Registered: Nov 2014 posted 11-25-2015 02:28 PM                     There was a bug in earlier software that gave a premature battery change warning. If you do replace the secure clock battery make sure you power up the IMB in the projector for a while to charge up the capacitors. These keep the clock going for a few minuets while the battery is being changed. Make sure you know how to do marriage before you pull the IMB out of the projector.  |  IP: Logged Tim Sherman Expert Film Handler Posts: 125 From: North Ridgeville, OH, USA Registered: Aug 2000 posted 11-25-2015 04:01 PM                        Isn't the 5 year shelf life on the battery in the IMB good for 5 years only if it has power? I thought the life of the IMB battery was the about the same as a enigma battery if not powered.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-25-2015 05:07 PM                     It's a replaceable silver cell and should be fine powering the IMB RTC for 5 years.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 11-25-2015 05:31 PM                     It is certainly a conservative number. Once the system is running, I would still replace them, and follow the detailed instructions precisely. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Stephan Shelley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 854 From: castro valley, CA, usa Registered: Nov 2014 posted 11-25-2015 05:37 PM                     Tim these are replaceable coin batteries much like on the motherboard. The the rechargeable batteries in the gore interface boards on the series 1 are like the enigma boards.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-26-2015 04:17 PM                     The one that is scaring me is the non-replaceable ICP certificate battery. It is soldered in, has a 10-year life and I've not heard of a procedure to put a backup battery on line during the change.  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 11-26-2015 05:25 PM                     I thought there was a way to keep the ICP charged by an external PSU. Maybe we will go around with one of those when the battery has to be replaced (how?)... Barco will sell lots of Alchemy's then  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-26-2015 05:25 PM                     Let's see if any are still working after 10 years when we'd have to think about that battery... And surely TI has an excellent plan to deal with that! When have they ever let us down? *** just some sarcasm, please don't answer that question ***  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 11-26-2015 08:24 PM                     Always surprising what Google brings up with the right key words ;-) http://www.manualslib.com/manual/434247/Nec-Nc900c.html?page=87 But is that really the ICP certificate keeping battery? The description sounds more as if it is for the projector controller board. Yet they do refer to the ICP multiple times. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-27-2015 02:08 PM                     That is the ICP RTC battery. That is user changeable and is the ever popular CR2032 coin. It has a life of 5-7 years and the worst that happens is that the ICP clock resets...most projectors set the ICP clock on boot up (For Christie it goes by the TPC clock...a fix they made after getting burned on the ZX and M going log crazy when the PCM module clock would die and then mess up the logs)...Barco on Installation>Advanced>Clock gives you the option to set the clock once or set it via NTP (so on boot up it will set the ICP clock). As for 10 years...the first series 2s (ICP based) hit the streets in 2010...so we are about 4.25 years before the first ICPs should start to drop. Again, this is the certificate battery, not the RTC battery.  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-27-2015 03:52 PM                     It's actually a BR2032 and TI recommends not using a CR2032.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 11-28-2015 05:06 AM                     Why do they have one exchangeable, including a change backup cell, and then another one non-exchangeable? Most systems worldwide have been installed within 2-3 years. A lot of people will be very angry at the manufacturers and integrators once this will begin to pop-up in a couple of years. And all because of a stupid coin-cell worth 1US$. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-28-2015 06:35 PM                     Thanks Dave for pointing this out...it make me go and read the service for the ICP again... The actual battery is a BR2330. In fact, there is the passage: quote: The coin battery (Panasonic BR2330) mounted on the ICP board provides electrical power for maintaining tamper detection, time, and date information while the power to the projector is off. If the battery voltage drops, the tamper detection circuit is activated and the security key is erased. Once the security key has been erased, the projector requires repair at the factory. This leads me to believe that I was misinformed at a factory training class. Looking at the pictures of the ICP, there is what appears to be a capacitor next to the coin battery and perhaps that has an approximately life of 10-12 years but if you change your coin battery within 7 years, you should get at least 14-years and odds are, so long as only one is changed at a time, you are good. If it is a capacitor, I wonder why they would think it is life is so short. The fact that this passage in the manual indicates that the BR2330 would reset the Security Key makes me question the information I was provided. It also means that Christie and Barco susceptible to key loss (certificate loss) too...even if they have another means to keep the clock going. My gut tells me that the two are wired in parallel with perhaps a diode to allow the replaceable battery take precedence if it is present and working at proper level.  |  IP: Logged

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