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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Actually Marco, I have been to screens with them lots of times, always with varying results from poor to barely acceptable. The image always seems dim. But its interesting that Regal has stopped installing them in all new builds. They are building a new Regal just down the street from me and its going to be all Christie. Cinemark held out for Barco 4K.

The only reason Sony even has any installed base here in the USA is because they gave the projectors to the two chains and are collecting the VPF's. Strong took over the Sony NOC and warehouse in Atlanta about two years ago.

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Then you are biased Mark, I'm sorry. We can talk till tomorrow about many aspects of Sony machines but when it comes to picture quality on a properly serviced 51x machine, then you can't say anything.

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Simple question on the usage of High Pressure Mercury lamps: when they get age, is it true that, instead of just going blah as with xenon lamps, the modules actually are emitting slight color shift due to the fading of the lamps?

And you got six modules in a projector (and, can they be changed out on the fly as with the 900C ?) is there some sort of monitoring device on the unit that are monitoring the six modules and displaying which one needs changed?

Still though, I agree with Steve: With laser technology, why didn't SONY jump on this bandwagon to compete in the market? Thus, are they planning on being confined to the smaller screen markets and let DLP take over the lead?

Just interesting how a business operates at times.

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quote: Monte L Fullmer
Still though, I agree with Steve: With laser technology, why didn't SONY jump on this bandwagon to compete in the market?
The official response is that at this point they don't need to: the 5xx series already has the best contrast in the industry outside of Dolby Vision, and even a quad-projector stack like the one they installed in Germany costs less than a high-end RGB or 6P laser (so they say). Anyway, according to my sources they are developing custom diodes in-house and there will be a small hybrid laser machine coming in 2017.

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Marco Giustini
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Yes, each lamp has a little board on it that keeps track of runtime and lamp model. The projector features an algorithm that compensates for colour drift but Sony claim that they're not using the part of the spectrum that is most subject to colour drift.
It's dead easy and does not require alignment or protection.

Currently laser machines are terribly expensive (I'm not talking about phosphor lasers). The 51x is not targeted to huge screens - even though the dual stack can provide an extremely good result on a big screen. Besides the demos, I had a chance to watch the same movie in 4K XpanD (6fL on white screen) and 4K Sony 515 dual stack and the dual stack won hands down for both contrast and comfort of vision (I hate triple flash!). The system can adjust convergence automatically (electronically) via external camera and a special command which can be embedded into a show. And it works pretty well!!

We're a little off topic here though, not sure whether we should move somewhere else?

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quote: Monte L Fullmer
Still though, I agree with Steve: With laser technology, why didn't SONY jump on this bandwagon to compete in the market?
Even NEC has jumped on the Laser bandwagon in a big way for cryin out loud. You can get an NC-1100, NC-1201, NC-1040L 4K projector from them off the shelf already. Sony ignoring laser only tells me that Sony has zero interest in continuing their negative profit projector line past a certain point in time. If that's not obvious to everyone then nothing is going to be. And if you never knew that Sony has always been negative on profit in the projector line, then so be it.

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I want to like Sony products. Years ago, they used to be the best. When I worked as a TV salesman, Sony was the top product we sold. I don't know why but, lately, Sony seems to have turned to crap. Today, you could hardly pay me to take a Sony product.

Sony products always seem to use proprietary technology that is incompatible with everything else except other Sony products. Remote controls. Memory sticks. Cables & connectors. Battery packs. When you buy Sony, it seems like you'd better be prepared to go all-in and buy everything Sony or else you'll have a heck of a time getting things to work together.

You often can't even use a regular screwdriver to set up or repair Sony equipment. I used to have a hell of a time replacing Philips head screws that people would strip out until I learned that Sony doesn't use standard Philips head screws. They use JIS screws that look like Philips but have a weird, tapered point. If you don't look for the dot on the head of the screw +. that indicates that it's a JIS screw and you use a regular Philips screwdriver, you're liable to strip out the screws. Furthermore, very small screws might not have a dot. You just have to know.

When it comes down to it, Sony products are like magical black boxes that take special tools and equipment to set up and repair. It takes special procedures to install and repair Sony.

The quality of Sony products has gone downhill so much that it isn't worth it to buy Sony in the first place.

If I owned a movie theater company that had 1,000 screens... one hundred locations around the country and a dozen or more theaters per location, I would never outfit them with Sony projectors. A suite in Las Vegas filled with hookers couldn't convince me to buy Sony. I'd have to completely refit my theaters then retrain and resupply all my technicians. It's just not worth it.

When I worked for Cinemark, Sony was the most difficult company to work with. Christie, USL, Dolby and others were much more accessible. You could usually get answers and solve problems with a phone call from them. With Sony, I'd be lucky to get somebody to call me back from voice mail. Other companies sometimes sent factory reps into the field to give us tips and training on how to repair equipment. I don't even know whether Sony has factory reps in the field.

I think that the reason why Sony always seems to bail out of the theater market is because they are so inconsistent. They put out a product and promise buyers that it will be so much better than other, competing products but, after a while, buyers figure out that they've been had and stop using Sony products. Then, when the market runs dry, Sony drops the product line and leaves all the still-existing users in the lurch. This cycle repeats a few times with the next "latest and greatest innovation" that Sony puts out...then drops a few years later. After a few times, customers begin to think, "Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me."

Honestly, I think Sony should partner with Bose! [Wink]

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quote: Randy Stankey
Sony products always seem to use proprietary technology that is incompatible with everything else except other Sony products.
Exactly! They are trying to be the Japanese version of Apple! But even Apple Macs can run Windows...

I was a TV repair guy in the 1970's when Sony was gaining and their TV's were the best you could buy then. More expensive than others but they also had the Trinitron tube. They never broke down and the few that did have problems back then were expeditiously repaired by Sony Service. Today all they produce is throw away crap. A long cry from those days of being the best there was...

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quote: Randy Stankey
You often can't even use a regular screwdriver to set up or repair Sony equipment. I used to have a hell of a time replacing Philips head screws that people would strip out until I learned that Sony doesn't use standard Philips head screws. They use JIS screws that look like Philips but have a weird, tapered point. If you don't look for the dot on the head of the screw +. that indicates that it's a JIS screw and you use a regular Philips screwdriver, you're liable to strip out the screws. Furthermore, very small screws might not have a dot. You just have to know.
Don't want to argue about the policies of Sony, I can understand what Randy is talking about when mentioning "With Sony, I'd be lucky to get somebody to call me back from voice mail." even though I didn't experienced that, yet, I 'll have to mention that, with a Philips#2, you can get *really* deep into a projector's heart.
With a Philips#1 and a #3, you can really tear it apart in pieces.

That is, from a technician's view, a relief.
Especially if you happen to have to open a Kinoton (the other side of it, sorry for pointing the finger) on the next auditorium.

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Randy Stankey
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If you are working on Sony as much as you say, I advise you to invest in a set of JIS screwdrivers. It should only cost $20 - $30.

A standard Philips screwdriver WILL cam out of a JIS screw and strip the head if you apply too much pressure.

If you find yourself faced with stripped out screws during an emergency call on a busy Saturday night you'll be cursing yourself for not having the right tools.
(Ask me how I know this. [Wink] )

If you ask me, Sony ought to supply these tools to any technician whose employer buys their equipment, free for the asking.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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In the early 70's when I was a Tech at Panasonic we had all these goofy JIS standard tools there. Even the tools for headphone jack knurled nuts and other Asian oddities.

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Marco Giustini
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Thanks Randy

I knew Sony's screws were different but didn't know the standard.
That said, as Ioannis says, I don't believe I've ever stripped or damaged a Sony screw using my Philips #2.

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Sony also likes to use M2.6 screws rather than either M2.5 or M3, from what I can tell.

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quote: Marco Giustini
Then you are biased Mark, I'm sorry.
Marco,

You're right. I'm biased because its a shitty product that comes from one of the shittiest companies on the planet.

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Marco Giustini
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a clear and accurate technical analysis supported by many facts - like the dreadful JIS screws, OMG!

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