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Author Topic: Series 3 Projectors Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 03-22-2017 05:31 PM                     quote: Jarod Reddig Sonys new 4K RGB laser dual engine single lens projector to be shown at CinemaCon is said by Sony to be designed with small cinema and consumer (residential) installations in mind. The prototype is gargantuan from what I hear. No, no, that's fake news. Because as we all know from the tech buzz , Sony has abandoned the cinema industry after the R320. http://www.dcinematoday.com/dc/pr?newsID=4690 As for series 3, I guess the most important aspect they will have in common is that they have less in common than series 1 or series 2, with less TI OEM systems in it, every manufacturer can take a more individual route. That also means more work/training for installers, I suppose. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 03-22-2017 05:36 PM                     that's just the official statement, I'm curious to know how that thing works!  |  IP: Logged Jarod Reddig Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 513 From: Hays, Ks Registered: Jun 2011 posted 03-22-2017 07:29 PM                     LOL  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-22-2017 07:33 PM                     Well you know with SONY = Soon Only Not Yet  |  IP: Logged Stephan Shelley Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 854 From: castro valley, CA, usa Registered: Nov 2014 posted 03-22-2017 07:41 PM                     Good one Steve.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-23-2017 08:45 PM                     quote: Steve Guttag there isn't any disadvantage. Actually, there is a fair difference in 3-D color which is a good reason to go with an IMB. Pretty much the equivalent difference that used to exist between mpeg and jpeg. That extra two bits of color is well worth having on screen instead of lost in an piece of legacy equipment. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-23-2017 09:54 PM                     Care to wager how many people out of 100 will see the difference between 4:4:4 versus 4:2:2? Care to wager how many will see the difference once 3D is added in to the mix to waste all of the image? Where I put IMBs in initially was indeed in 3D venues. The Hobbit series was coming out in those days and to hedge one's bets on HFR working out, it was the safer choice.  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 03-24-2017 04:23 AM                     I second Steve here - the difference is very little, particularly through a set of glasses/lenses at 4fL (when we are in luck)  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-24-2017 02:00 PM                     Probably less difference on Dolbly 3-D, more difference on polarized since it is in essence a neutral filter and does not affect color to any great degree. It's still a matter of..."you can do it the right way or not". Plus with future changes in exhibition those old dual link systems will never keep up. To still be installing new dual link servers today borders on the absurd. Yes, I know... I also hate powering on the entire projector to ingest. Hopefully they address that in series 3 some how. But the projector still has to be on in order to ingest the keys as those are stored on the IMB. A recent change in the GDC TMS software also reflects that, where previously you'd ingest keys and if the rooms were not powered up and connected to TMS the keys would go off to no where.... Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-24-2017 02:41 PM                     You can call me what you want, I'll still install SDI systems, where appropriate. My next tier is a more traditional server/IMB and the very last pick is the fully integrated IMS/ICMP type system. That said, the ICMP has a better chance, for me since it is fully integrated with the projector it resides. You can select any input via the normal preset buttons, just like "normal" projectors. I'd wager, Mark, YOU could not tell the difference between 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 in 2D or 3D (anybody's) and, I'd say it is a 50/50 shot if you did tell a difference you'd pick the 4:2:2 image as better.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-24-2017 04:07 PM                     Added color capability aside, it still makes no sense to install a piece of what is essentially obsolete equipment in 2017. The only real reason GDC still makes that particular media block is for those that want to keep the older servers going. Can they make a new one? Of course they will. Sales are down and companies will do just about anything to sell a projector or server. Especially if it's old stuff still in stock they would like to move out. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-24-2017 07:56 PM                     Whereas they will support it, just like an SX3000, it is no more obsolete than the SX3000. Price wise, the SX2001 is also reasonably attractive. You like to jump into pools without water (Master Image, NC900s...etc. Just because they are newer). Newer can be great. But for me, the #1 feature is reliability. HDSDI lines are pretty reliable. So why don't you dump your NEC/GDC "obsolete" series 2 stuff and get the Barco Laser projectors with the ICMP? It IS the cutting edge with demonstrable improvements. It "blows away" what you are putting in (to use your verbage). I'm a Barco guy and even I wouldn't touch the ICMP in its first year (any more than I would touch the NC900C-A in its first year). Being on the cutting edge tends to get you the most expensive combined with the least reliable...pass. The ICMP has gone though many growing pains (as did all of the server companies) and is already on its second iteration with the HDMI 2.0 version (the only one that does that too!), which is why NOW I'm looking at it seriously. I have to, it is the only server that can do what it can do with 4K and such. Again, to each their own.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-26-2017 10:38 AM                     quote: Steve Guttag it is no more obsolete than the SX3000. From the standpoint of it doing less than the SX-3000 it is indeed obsolete. No HFR, No 12 Bit color in 3-Dee, eats up lots of unnecessary power (~300 watts vs ~50 watts). Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-26-2017 11:10 AM                     And I did qualify it...so your BIG advantage of the SX3000 is that it helps with 3D...so if there is no 3D, you are down to potential power savings (remember, those external drives do suck power too and if you want reliability you'll get the enterprise storage unit not the psd toy. Of those 3D "advantages" you have HFR, which, thus far, has proven a dismal failure for both 3D and 2D and a color space improvement that 99.99999% of the people will never see and 99.999999999999% of the people will never see in 3D. Older != obsolete. Obsolete is not only out of production (which it isn't) it is also no longer supported.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 04-03-2017 08:00 AM                     quote: Jarod Reddig Sonys new 4K RGB laser dual engine single lens projector to be shown at CinemaCon is said by Sony to be designed with small cinema and consumer (residential) installations in mind. The prototype is gargantuan from what I hear. quote: Marco Giustini that's just the official statement, I'm curious to know how that thing works! Here's some more information and some pictures. Currently, it sure looks like a prototype, but it's not gargantuan, not compared to other RGB laser projectors. http://www.avsforum.com/sony-4k-rgb-laser-projector-cinemacon-2017/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaig n=AVSForum.com_daily&utm_source=AVSForum.com20170331 - Carsten  |  IP: Logged

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