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Author Topic: DP3000 Server Options Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 05-11-2018 10:54 AM                     Russel - how often did you come across the 24/48fps limitation in that specific venue you are asking for? Yes, this may be a bit more severe in PAL countries, Europe,Australia, etc. where we often get ads and documentaries in 25fps. But, other than that... I see no trouble to put the DSS100 to a shelf as a spare. However, I simply don't think it's a good idea to shop now for a server that needs to be future/4k proof, and at the same time to support a series 1 machine. That's one constraint too much I think. Also, first thing to check is the board set in the DP3000 - if you get a server that is recent on it's software and media block firmware, you may not be able to operate the DP3000 with encrypted content at all if the DP3000 doesn't feature e.g. the latest FFIB/GoreBoard supporting Cinelink II TLS. Some of those servers then do not allow to downgrade the software to a DP3000/series 1 compatible version. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-11-2018 11:39 AM                     Most GDC servers can do 30 fps. The SX-3000 for sure can do it. Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 05-11-2018 12:29 PM                     Remember Mark, the odd requirement here is to support a series 1 projector for a period of time first. So no on the SX-3000. However, The SX2001A. They don't list 30fps there either though I think it CAN do it. With the amount of home-brew content for preshow out there, I'd think 30fps on a new system would be a good thing since I see said home-brew content coming in at 30fps  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-13-2018 11:04 AM                     As far as full size GDC servers go the SX-2001, SA-2001A, 2000-AR will all do 30 fps 2-D. All the plug in servers, the SX-1000, SX-3000 and SX-4000 will also play 30 fps 2-D. I think the SX-2001 got 30fps added as one of the 8.01-Build XX firmware updates. Back about 2010 I ran into the need for 30 fps 2-D for a film festival in St, George. UT. Back then Version 7.8 could not handle 30 fps, but could handle 29.97. I can't remember if they skipped running that movie or if they sent it out for conversion some where... Mark  |  IP: Logged Russell Kalman Film Handler Posts: 7 From: El Paso, Texas, USA Registered: Jul 2014 posted 06-18-2018 05:22 PM                        Update: They heard me. Going for ShowVault and DP4K32B Our vendor is probably unintentionally directing me to an incorrect audio interface. We have CP650. Adding 650OptioAES. Should just need the 2xRJ45 to DB25 adapter, Yes? They are saying something else, but what do I know. Carsten, Just once did I have a frame rate issue. Oklahoma. Had to play a DVD. Not good Cheers All!  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-18-2018 05:48 PM                     Presumably you are adding a Dolby CAT790 card to get digital audio input. If so: The digital inputs are on the "OPTION CARD I/O" connector on the CP750. The CAT790 card also adds EX and Digital 7.1 capability, and the SL, SR, BSL, and BSR surround outputs are now also on the "OPTION CARD I/O" connector. The other LS/RS surround outputs on the main output connector are no longer usable. Thus the connector is rather busy and is NOT a standard pinout that the simple 2xRJ45-DB25 adapter expects. You need a hand wired DB25 connector (not fun) or an Odyssey card set that will straighten everything out. What cards you need depend on what the sound feeds into, terminal strips to the amps, DB cable to a monitor or monitor/crossover. I strongly recommend you call Mark at Odyssey and tell him exactly what equipment you have, he will tell you what's required. The Odyssey cards can have transformers that avoid matching problems between the AES signals and S/PDIF inputs. You may also want a software update for the CP650 to get the most from the unit with a CAT790, this comes at a nominal price.You get EX capability for film and 7.1 capability for digital.  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 06-18-2018 06:30 PM                     Russel - you had a DSP100/CP650 combo before - no idea why you would need a new/different digital audio interface now with the Show Vault - a suitable cable should suffice indeed. But maybe that is what they actually suggest. Yes, 1 or 2*RJ45 to DB25. Odyssey has them. 650-OPTIO-AES-RJ. Might get complicated if you want to do 7.1 and HI/VI-N. If in doubt, just call Odyssey yourself and they will help. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-18-2018 07:00 PM                     The CP650 is unbalanced AES in. The DSP100 could do unbalanced out. The ShowVault is going to be AES3 (balanced) out and one will want the transformers to go from 110/75 Ohm. The current form of the Option IO AES has the RJs so you can do it all with CAT cable, if desired.  |  IP: Logged Russell Kalman Film Handler Posts: 7 From: El Paso, Texas, USA Registered: Jul 2014 posted 06-18-2018 07:55 PM                        Thanks gentlemen, I have reached out to Odyssey via email as it is after hours. Did I mention that there is also a DMA8plus in this marriage? Largely for external inputs from a user panel on the rack. Digital film tracks, DVD, BluRay and VHS, etc. Cheers  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 06-19-2018 06:40 AM                     So, in your existing setup, the audio from the DSP100 went through the DMA8, then entered the CP650 as multichannel analog? That might be the reason they suggest the digital input card for the CP650? Although it's not strictly necessary. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Dave Macaulay Film God Posts: 2321 From: Toronto, Canada Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-19-2018 07:24 AM                     Maybe you want to add 7.1? I don't think the CP650 analog inputs that a DMA8+ connects to support that. And it will make programming a bit easier, you can tell the CP650 what server audio format to use and not have to worry about the DMA8 being on the right input. Most everything else (except film, do you still have film projection?) could go through the DMA8+. Nice setup. There have been problems with digital audio on a CP650 but it seems very rare and I haven't encountered this.  |  IP: Logged Russell Kalman Film Handler Posts: 7 From: El Paso, Texas, USA Registered: Jul 2014 posted 06-19-2018 09:51 AM                        Carsten, Only external digital inputs (s/pdif) and film tracks went through the DMA8plus. The SP100 connects with 4xBNC to the CP650 Option card. Dave, Yes, we still have film. We have a classic film festival that begins August 1. When I first came on board to do Digital (nobody else wanted to do it) the film to DCP ratio was 75% to 25%. This ratio is now reversed. As far as 5.1 audio goes we only do it on special occasions or if there is a technical rider requiring it. The amplifier room in our restored movie house is about 120 meters away and only 4 balanced lines were provided by the contractor. (LRCS) For 5.1 we run Ls Rs under the booth doors to powered EV-ETX on stands. We got that Idea from the Broadway shows that visit the venue. Cheers  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 06-19-2018 05:47 PM                        Yes, I know that Dolby have just ended official support for them, but if you could obtain a used DSS200 plus a cat745 IMB, you would have the following advantages: - The Show Manager software would look and behave almost identically to that of the existing DSP/DSL100, so no operator retraining would be needed. - With the current software version (4.9.1), it fully supports SMPTE DCPs and all frame rates up to 60. - You could use the built-in (cat862) media block with the DP3000 until you upgrade the projector to a Series 2 model, and then switch to the cat745 IMB at that point. - You can put as large hard drives in it as you like (at least, I've put drives up to 8 x 6TB in a DSS200 after replacing the 4-port 3Ware RAID card with an 8-port one, and they've worked without issue, providing about 33TB of usable space). The fact that you are not replacing the projector and server simultaneously rules out an IMS, which would be the likely route to go if you were. If you were to do that, I would suggest replacing the hard drives, fans, and PSUs with new ones on installation, though. EDIT - just seen your update, and that you are going the Doremi route. I don't like them as much as the DSS line, but it's probably the sensible choice, given that the software is still actively being supported and updated.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 06-19-2018 10:16 PM                     And parts & support for the DSS-200 ends??? Mark  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-20-2018 08:38 AM                     Oh calm down Mark. 1) I have not received any removal of support notice on the DSS200/DSS220 and related. When the products were discontinued, they stated that they would support them a minimum of 3-years after discontinuation (not a maximum). So perhaps you have inside knowledge? To the best of my knowledge, 4.9.2 will be issued this year. Parts wise, other than the CAT862 or CAT745, I can't think of much in the DSS line I'd source from Dolby. They are off-the-shelf parts or Super Micro parts. And, the reality of the situation, they just don't break like other servers. The biggest consumption item are the hard drives...again, not normally sourced from Dolby and they publish a current recommended drive list for them.  |  IP: Logged

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