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Josh Jones
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I really liked the film. I must admit I did turn to my friend half way through and say "How many time do they make out in this movie?" It would have been a kick ass movie if it hadn't involved the love story as much. But hey, Thats hollywood. I was a bit dissapointed by the dynamics as well. It did need much more punch.

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Cuba Gooding Jr. is completely wasted in every movie...except for Jerry Maguire.

Why can't they give this guy another decent role?

Jeez...he was in Paul Hogan's 'Lightning Jack'...isn't that punishment enough???

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I watched "Pearl Harbor" run through on two different auditoriums, with the first one making sure my CD-ROM dub discs worked.

On the sound mix, yes, I found parts of it to be really disappointing. Some passages of dialog on some quieter scenes were so badly recorded that I looked up into the booth to make sure the DTS unit was still engaged. Even the print playing in a THX house seemed to lack some oomph to it. I have heard much better bass in other movies. There was lots of surround activity, which I did like, but there were a lot of parts to it that really did sound compressed like others have observed.

Do I think the movie is a "Titanic" wannabe? Yes, and it was a stupid marketing move at that. This could have been a really serious and entertaining war movie without the cheapo soap-opera like love triangle. But I guess Jerry Bruckheimer and Michael Bay decided they had to do that to get the females into the box office. Here is a clue for those guys: "Saving Private Ryan" made over $200 million without any love story happening.

Also, "Titanic" had a far better screenplay and actors with much higher degrees of talent to carry the lead roles. Ben Affleck is really a movie star type personality and not what I would call a real actor. He is just eye candy for teen age girls and will likely only play hero and love interest roles. Would he take a very unflattering role like his friend Matt Damon did in "The Talented Mr. Ripley"? I doubt it. And I doubt that he could pull it off either.

Now, I really have to say something critical about the directorial style of Michael Bay. Can this fellow get through one single scene of a film without a swooping crane shot? I mean, damn, his last two movies (this one and "Armageddon") don't feel like movies at all. They play more like movie trailers, music videos or TV commericals. All of the camera trickery and movement just squashes out any chance of the actors delivering good performances or letting the screenplay speak for itself.

Some critics have dubbed this kind of directorial style as "post human" and I agree 100%. Guys like Michael Bay and John Woo are far more in love with fancy camera moves and making their shots look pretty than actually making a real movie. In the end, their work is basically a lot of cake icing and no cake underneath.

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Surely this film will NOT get nominated for a Best Screenplay Oscar. What drivel up until the bombing! There ought to be a sign that goes up, "Is there a writer in the house?" As one film critic has said, this was a missed opportunity.

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PH struck me as Cast Away strained through a Armageddon script then dressed up in doll clothes. I saw it with my 19 year-old daughter and my partner. My daughter loved it. My partner and I felt really badly when we were laughing at the badly written dialogue when the couple behind us were moved to tears by the drama. It was a three-hour armed services recruiting commercial. I personally didn’t think it was gory enough. It was a sanitized depiction of that kind of battle. Even the hospital scenes were distorted to make them more palatable – I’ve seen more realistic triage in MASH episodes. At least MASH had the excuse of being on prime-time. It would be interesting to get some feedback from the nurses who were there in battle how they felt about their depiction in PH. Last I checked, it was getting 29% on RottonTomatos. That’s too generous.


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"Major disappointment." All of the trailers for this were great, and there's no way that any film could live up to them. This doesn't even come close.

It's generally nicely photographed, but the acting is kind of "wooden" and the score is "just OK." The love story doesn't really work. There are some great action sequences, but much of the rest of this film is just dull and has none of the "you are there" feeling of Private Ryan. For a war movie, it isn't violent enough. (did I really just say that? well, it's true...) The CGI work was generally OK but not great. There are some plot problems, but that's to be expected in a Bruckheimer (sp?) film.

The lab work was really nice. I am quite sure that I didn't see an IB print, but it looked really good on screen. It was a big improvement over the typical "let's order 4000 prints from Deluxe Hollywood at the last possible minute" that are unfortunately common for "big" movies. Technicolor Hollywood did a nice job on the Eastman prints.

My take on this title is that everyone should keep reel 6 (the one with the cool aerial scenes) and toss the rest in the trash.

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>>For a war movie, it isn't violent enough.<<

Blame Disney for that one, they were the ones kissing Bruckhimer/Bay's ass to keep the project going and they INSISTED it be PG-13 so the teen girls can go see Ben Assflex' pretty-boy face...

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There must be great relief in the caverns of Disney, as Pearl's fortunes seem to be improving, and there's another review, this time a favorable one, in today's Wall St. Journal. The negative is reported to have cost about $140 million.

Mention of "celluloid" will be observed here. Regardless of the precise technical nuances of what the term means, it seems to be glued into synonymity with "film" in the public mind, and this isn't going to change any time soon.

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Why ‘Pearl Harbor’ Won’t Bomb
Disney’s new war epic is one for the ages.

May 30, 2001 -- Opinion Journal

By SETH LIPSKY

The reader should be forewarned that my taste in movies has never run to the art films. My lifetime favorite is “Around the World in Eighty Days.” But after discounting for that fact, let me say that with respect to “Pearl Harbor,” I just don’t know what in Sam Hill the reviewers are talking about. I saw the Disney war epic over the weekend. It would be a disservice if I reported that the film is anything but fabulous--one of the best rainy day afternoons I can recall.

I should say at the start that I went with a party of six, including three boys between the ages of seven and 10. We went to the 5:45 p.m. showing at the Tri-Plex in Great Barrington, Mass. We had taken the precaution of purchasing tickets late in the morning, which turns out to have been a good idea, because by 5:30, when we got there, it was impossible to get near the ticket counter. The place was what could only be called mobbed.

That the crush to get in had been precipitated by one of the most uniformly negative batch of reviews since the invention of celluloid was not lost on those jostling to get in. “Pearl Harbor” was panned in the local paper, The Berkshire Eagle, as well as the Daily News, the New York Post, The Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, which found the love triangle “ludicrous,” the dialog “leaden.” One Eric Harrison, writing in the Houston Chronicle, actually opened his review with a little disquisition marveling on Leni Riefenstahl and her mastery of cinema as a propaganda tool.

“It may be heretical to say so,” quoth the Chronicle, “but Michael Bay, the director of ‘Pearl Harbor’ and other equally bombastic and manipulative action movies, may be Riefenstahl’s equal in his ability to marshal resources for the advancement of unworthy causes.” Young Harrison goes on to concede that Mr. Bay isn’t selling anything as monstrous as Nazism. “But, appearances aside, he isn’t selling anything noble, either,” he writes, going on to assert that he is “pushing nothing more or less than a vision of America comprising equal parts of Norman Rockwell, romance novels, patriotic old war movies and MTV.”

It seems to me that when a movie reviewer writes about a movie “appearances aside,” it’s a little bit like Mark Twain’s famous remark about how Wagner’s music isn’t as bad as it sounds. But I digress. When someone in the packed theater lobby remarked on the contrast between the reviews and the crowd, a lady a few feet away called out, “I was just thinking the same thing.” And someone else muttered that he’d like to see what would have happened had the reviewers praised the film.

Anyhow, if it turns out that there was a sudden run-up in the world price of raw sugar over the weekend, it may be because my gang hit the counter where the Tri-Plex sells candy by the pound. We managed to get it and the popcorn and drinks to our fifth row seats by hauling it in with a makeshift sledge. I just mention that because a surprising thing happened during the movie, which is that the popcorn went unfinished and the candy was abandoned.

The munching stopped almost the moment the movie began, meaning about the time young Rafe and Danny accidentally started up that old crop-duster and found themselves bouncing down the runway. The scene in which Rafe meets his girl while dropping his drawers for an inoculation in the rear end was met with great hilarity. There were also a few questions about whether that was really what it was like when one got inducted into the army. I had to explain that I got inoculated by a gun-like contraption wielded by the medical equivalent of Rosie the Riveter. But if this lack of verisimilitude bothered anyone, it wasn’t me.

Nor was there a single complaint during the development of the love triangle all the reviewers have been complaining about. I don’t know what it is about the concept of a love triangle that has upset the reviewers. Maybe they reckon the device was ruined by Shakespeare. Or the makers of Casablanca. But I looked down the row and every single kid--not to mention the neighboring adults--was leaning forward in his chair or looking otherwise absorbed in the big screen. What better way, it seems to me, than one of those confounded love triangles to illuminate the undeniable fact that war is bigger than any of us.

The battle footage was stunning. Even the reviewers are conceding that point. I was a bit concerned that the seven-year-old would get a bit nervous, so I kept leaning over and saying, “Watch for the cook, watch for the cook.” This was a reference to Cuba Gooding Jr.’s portrayal of the hero Dorie Miller, who, in the most desperate moments of the attack, emerged from the galley to take over an anti-aircraft gun and bring down one of the Japanese planes. The reviewers are of the opinion that the inclusion of this African-American holder of the Navy Cross was a cynical bow to political correctness, but it’s hard to imagine a telling of the Pearl Harbor story without this hero.

Or, for that matter, FDR. The reviewers are also upset at Jon Voight’s portrayal of the 32nd president, particularly the scene in which Roosevelt has gathered his aides to plot a counter-attack on Tokyo. When he is told that it can’t be done, he reaches under the table and moves his legs to the floor from the wheel chair and then, brushing his valet aside, pulls himself to a standing positions and tells his staff never to tell him that something can’t be done. I’d go a second time for that scene alone.

As for James Doolittle, I thought it was the movie’s best touch. It moved the whole thing beyond the American defeat, and it did so in a way that gripped the lads I was with, right down to their socks. Afterward, at the ice cream parlor, they started asking questions about the history of World War II. This carried on much of the weekend. Their mothers are likely to be shopping for books on the topic. As we headed back to the car, my brother leaned over and asked me if I remembered our father’s friend Howard Corbin taking us to see Audie Murphy playing himself in “To Hell and Back.” The fact is I could remember almost every detail, even to the point of us getting Howard to haul out the medals he himself had won in the war. If “Pearl Harbor” proves to be half as memorable for our boys as that long ago trip to the cinema was for us, well, let’s just say it would be hard to place a value on the price of admission.

Mr. Lipsky is a contributing editor of The Wall Street Journal. His column appears Wednesdays.

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‘Pearl Harbor’ Performs Very Well, But Doesn’t Set Box-Office Records

May 29, 2001 -- Media & Marketing

By JOHN LIPPMAN Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

LOS ANGELES -- Walt Disney Co.’s much-hyped “Pearl Harbor” performed extraordinarily well during its first weekend in movie theaters, but fell short of a widely predicted shattering of box-office records.

The big-budget holiday movie sold an estimated $75.1 million in tickets over the four-day Memorial Day holiday weekend. That’s about 6% higher than “Mission: Impossible 2” did over the same period last year, but much less than the $90.2 million record set by “The Lost World: Jurassic Park” in 1997. After taking into account inflation of ticket prices, “Pearl Harbor” appears to have drawn only incrementally higher audiences into theaters -- if that -- than “Mission: Impossible 2” did last year.

Nonetheless, Disney executives pronounced the $140 million budget “Pearl Harbor” a success, saying the movie’s box-office performance met expectations and is on track eventually to make a profit. “It did every bit as good as we thought it would, perhaps a shade more than we thought possible” because of its length, said Chuck Viane, president of Disney’s distribution arm. “Pearl Harbor” is nearly three hours long, and most theaters can schedule it only three times a day, compared with four to five times a day for most other movies.

But perhaps the more interesting development over the long holiday weekend was the continued strong performance of the children’s computer-animated movie “Shrek,” produced by DreamWorks SKG. The box office for “Shrek” actually rose for the Friday-through-Sunday period, pulling in a total of $42.5 million, compared with $42.3 million over the previous weekend. Ticket sales usually decline for movies on their second weekend. “It’s incredible,” said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracking firm Exhibitor Relations Co. “That’s a film that could surpass the $200 million mark.” When a movie performs better on the second weekend, that usually means it benefits from good “word of mouth,” and suggests a broader and repeat audience.

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Box-Office Blowouts

Top five films opening over Memorial Day weekends.

MOVIE YEAR WEEKEND TOTAL (millions) The Lost World: Jurassic Park 1997 $90.2 Pearl Harbor 2001 75.1* Mission: Impossible 2 2000 70.8 Mission: Impossible 1996 56.8 Godzilla 1998 55.7

Note: Some films opened Wednesday before the Memorial Day weekend, but figures include only Friday to Monday grosses.

Overall, the top 12 movies over the four-day weekend generated an estimated $176.5 million at the box office, compared with $171.2 million last year. Last year’s final tally of $183.6 million includes the box office for all movies in release, which won’t be known for a couple more days. Other top-performing movies over the long weekend included Vivendi Universal SA unit Universal Studios’ “The Mummy Returns,” which generated an estimated $19.1 million for a total to date of $170.7 million, and Sony Corp.’s Sony Pictures’ “A Knight’s Tale,” which pulled in an estimated $9.3 million for a total so far of $44.5 million.

Theater operators appeared satisfied with “Pearl Harbor’s” performance, but also marveled at the holdover strength of “Shrek.” Bruce Olson, president of Marcus Theaters, based in Milwaukee, said that “business-wise, [“Pearl Harbor”] did about as expected.” He is projecting box-office ticket sales to total about $1 million over the four days on the 70 screens of his company in the Midwest where the movie is playing. But Mr. Olson added the “big surprise” was “Shrek,” which pulled in box-office ticket sales 29% higher than its first weekend at his theaters. “That’s extremely rare,” he said.

Disney executives noted that 85% of the theaters showing “Pearl Harbor” had sold out, indicating strong interest among the first wave of moviegoers. Richard Cook, chairman of Disney’s Motion Pictures Group, said that most theaters had “pretty much maxed out” and that some were showing the movie on two screens simultaneously in a practice known as “interlocking.” “There wasn’t anymore we could have done, maybe 5% one way or the other,” he said.

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William Hooper
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I haven't seen it, but my Dad reports that the battle scenes are humorous.

"They show these planes swooping in like jets, & they could only go, what, 140 mph or so?"



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When was the last time that anybody that posts in here has sat down and watched a film made before 1953? I doubt all you nay-sayers, who are unfairly compairing this film to Titanic have ever seen a classic movie in years. This movie was a complete throw back to swoony romance war movies of the 1940's. I see nothing wrong with taking this approch to telling the story of that fateful morning. I feel that Bay has mixed the romance of From Here To Eternity and the detailed historical asspects of Tora! Tora! Tora! into an visually stunning film. The only fault that Bay has is editing. Fast paced editing outside of action sequences, restricts the viewers ability to make a connection with the actors. As I watched my print of Pearl last Wednesday, I counted the lenght of each individual shot. Four seconds was about the average. This is Bay biggest problem. Unlike Spielberg, who will allow the camera to rest on the faces of the men (Damon, Hanks, Burns etc.) while telling us their stories, Bay's quick cutting hampers us from getting to close. I do have to give him credit for easing it up a bit this time around... Armaggedon nearly made me dizzy to the point that I was going to be sick. Yes, Disney made this movie. Yes, they make their directors pour on the cheese whenever possible. And yes, there is a love triangle in this movie, but this movie is NOT Titanic. Have we all forgotten how horrible Titanic was? Leo cheats his way onto the ship, sets his sights on Rose, teaches her how to spit overboard and acts like a complete pompus ass at a table of social elite. Then goes on to get Rose drunk, draw nude pictures of her, which inturn she sticks into a safe knowing full well that it will enrage her already upset fiance Cal. Then to top it all off, they have pre-marital sex in the back of a car like some love sick teenagers from 1955! This LOVE story is more like a modern day-time sopa opera then Pearl Harbor. I invited several Pearl Harbor survivors to my theater this past weekend to honor them in their heroic acts that day. Each one had their own complaints. Some felt that Hickman Field should have been mentioned, others felt that they didn't even show Schofield Barricks. When it comes down to it. You can't make everyone happy with a film, everyone is an arm-chair director. The bottom line is this. Stop bashing Pearl Harbor for its "sappy" love story. Yes the story was rushed, but if you feel cheated... read the novel. I believe that a man going off to war to help another country in need, getting shot down in the midst of battle and being presumed dead, leaving his loved ones behind to pick up the pieces, forcing them to draw closer through this connection is a lot more watchable then seeing teenagers hock luggies off of the Titanic. I guess I feel no love lost in watching a bunch of idiot snobs who race a huge ship into an iceberg, killing almost all of the passengers to make themselves look good. What does leave a knot in my throat is watching brave men cling to the side of a dying ship that was bombed with ill intent. And to the guy ranting about Cuba being wasted in the movie... go watch Tora! Tora! Tora! and tell me how much you see Dorie Miller in the film... about five seconds at best. Now comparied to Pearl Harbor there is no compairison. If you really love Cuba that much why not write your own screenplay about Miller. You could call it 'The Dorie Miller Story'! A whole two hours of watching Cuba scrap plates and box. Ten minutes of watching him shoot down three Zeros. Sounds like a winner.

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quote:
"Leo cheats his way onto the ship, sets his sights on Rose, teaches her how to spit overboard and acts like a complete pompus ass at a table of social elite. Then goes on to get Rose drunk, draw nude pictures of her, which inturn she sticks into a safe knowing full well that it will enrage her already upset fiance Cal. Then to top it all off, they have pre-marital sex in the back of a car like some love sick teenagers from 1955!"

Well when you put it like THAT...

You did forget to mention the fact that if Leo and Kate had not been kissing on the deck of the Titanic, that the two fellas that were supposed to be watching for icebergs would not have been distracted and the disaster would have never happened.


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let's see I have seen In harms way, destination tokyo, 30 seconds over tokyo, the enemy below, run silent run deep, away all boats, and many others that i could mention. Seen them hundreds of times. An I am only 36 years old. I have not seen pearl harbor all the way thru yet but am looking forward to it. I guess the biggest problem I have with it is the fact that they supposedly left out the Nevada wich they beached in the harbor to avoid being sunk and blocking the inlet to the harbor.


And as far as that Titanic ship. Had it had a big enough rutter on the damn thing it would have turned the ship quicker.


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Jason, you speak of pre-marital sex as if it is an abomination. What happens if you wait until you are married only to find out that your partner is a bad lay?


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Darryl, it was the U.S.S. Nevada (BB-36) that got underway at Pearl Harbor and had to be beached to save the channel. The Nebraska (BB-14) was a pre-dreadnought that was scrapped in 1923 (see http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/battleships/bb-list1.html ).

I agree with you, though, that the story of the Nevada is an amazing one that should've been told (certainly deserved more emphasis than the love triangle). Out of eight battleships at Pearl, she was the only one which wasn't a sitting duck. It takes two hours for a battleship to get up enough steam to move, but Nevada managed the feat in 45 minutes. Pretty memorable account of the Nevada in Walter Lord's account of Pearl Harbor, _Day of Infamy_.



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"What happens if you wait until you are married only to find out that your partner is a bad lay?"

Then you... um... practice.

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