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Frank Angel
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I saw SPIDERMAN at the Loew's Astor Plaza in Manhattan -- one time a first class, flagship theatre, now a poor excuse to sell old popcorn topped with rancid oil and odd smelling hotdogs (the name may be a hint as to exactly what kind of meat is contained therein). The print was out of focus in the middle of the screen throughout the entire show, even though I complained. There is no projectionist in this theatre except on Fridays. This is the same theatre that damaged one of only two newly struck 70mm prints of 2001 a few months back.

I was a little confused in that it looked very much to me that they were projecting SPIDERMAN at 1.66. I would have chalked it up to my misjudging it, but at least two of the trailers had letterbox borders on top and bottom, which reinforced my conclusion that the trailers were hardmatted at 1.85 and they were projecting the feature at 1.66. Why this would be, I cannot even guess.

I enjoyed the film and I thought the first half was the more interesting -- I thought the whole discovery process was very well done and Peter was played and directed with a quiet curiosity that was engaging. Although as said elsewhere, his reaction to his uncle's attempt at understanding him was a unexplained and disconcerting. It seemed harsh, almost cruel for no apparant reason. Something wind up on the editing floor that shouldn't have? It was good seeing old verteran actor Cliff Robertson back on the screen.

I thought the digital effects were integrated well, although as John P. said, they were a bit softer than the rest. There were times when Spiderman was doing his building hops that he looked like a cartoon placed in a live background, which is exactly what CGI is, but I mean more than that -- he looked like an animated Disney cartoon character. But that was only for a few moments here and there and it didn't really distract from the overall effect. The sound was terrific, evidently the people running the Astor Plaza haven't yet figured out how to compromise that yet. I found the film's score to be adequate for the moods of the scenes, but it had no memorable themes -- something that almost all classics have.

My one strong objection was to that final fight between Spiderman and poor Willem Defoe in that silly mask; it was begging for an editor. It went on and on -- who needs to see two characters viciously bashing each other to a pulp for ten minutes -- and at one point it was so violent that I actually looked away in disgust. It really was quite gratuitous. Funny, you would never see two women bashing each others faces in, but for guys, superheros especially, it's perfectly OK. But then again, we live in a male-bashing culture, so who cares. Anyway, it could have been edited down to half the length and we all would have gotten the point.

As for the audiences that are unruly and causing a disturbance, I lay that right at the feet of the theatre operator. You are paying $10 for a ticket, that should entitle you to a well patrolled, safe environment. It is the exhibitor's responsibility to have adequate ushers and security personnel to deal with the type of situation you describe. As much as I am with Will for telling people to be quiet or to get off the effin phone and WATCH THE EFFIN MOVIE, a patron shouldn't have to be put in that position. There should be theatre personnel checking the rooms for just those conditions. Years ago ushers would walk the isles and aim flashlights at people who had their feet up on chairs or who were talking. In today's multiplexes a constant presence of even a single usher per screen would be financially prohibitive. Understood, but there is no reason why during the course of the screening security personnel could not walk into each room, looking for problems. Sometimes the presence of theatre personnel, even for only five or ten minutes in the theatre, changes the way groups act. Once a theatre gets a reputation for zero tolerance of inappropriate behavior and that troublemakers will be ejected, you'd be surprise how different people will act. On the other hand, give them an environment where they are basically left to their own devices without any question that no theatre personnel will ever be seen, well that just encourages the kind of inconsiderate behavior that's been described. I had to walk round the entire theatre complex to find a single person to complain about the focus problem. This was the last show and it seemed like after the film started, the entire theatre staff went home. Patrons sense that. The rowdy ones sense it even more. So, yes, there are people who will act like animals unless there are trainers present, but it is the theatre's responsibility to provide the trainers, not letting it fall to the poor patron to take up the chair and the whip.

When people are behaving inconsiderately, walk out and demand your money back. And tell them why. Ask them why there are no theatre personnel to be found and why none were in the theatre to remove the annoyance. Being subjected to idiot patrons is just as much a reason to demand a refund as is an out-of-focus picture or bad sound. If enough people did that, management would soon get the word. They will find that it is easier (and cheaper) to throw out the thugs (they don't get refunds) than to have dissatisfied patrons walk out demanding their money back.


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David Stambaugh
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Frank said
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I was a little confused in that it looked very much to me that they were projecting SPIDERMAN at 1.66. I would have chalked it up to my misjudging it, but at least two of the trailers had letterbox borders on top and bottom, which reinforced my conclusion that the trailers were hardmatted at 1.85 and they were projecting the feature at 1.66. Why this would be, I cannot even guess

The Spiderman show I saw had a letterboxed trailer, I think it was "Bad Company".

Theaters basically just look the other way with regard to disruptive customers. They depend on complainers to bring problems to their attention, rather than being proactive about fostering a better environment.

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Frank Angel
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Yeah, just another reason exhibition is in the state it is in right now. Not much is going to change by going into chapter 11, if they come back playing the same old tired cards with the same old tired hand.

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Adam Wilbert
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The attached xXx trailer is letterboxed too, if i remember correctly.

That final fight got to me too. Not so much the visual, but the audio was like a foley artist went psycho on the stage. Several times i've had the volume up in the booth while i was working elsewhere and listend to that jumble of "oof, ah, grr, umph" for ten minutes.

But this movie, though i completely enjoyed it, had one of the worst line deliverences ever. Peter to Gramma in the Hospital: "Gee, gramma, did i really say that?" I cringe everytime i hear it.
-Adam

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Joe Beres
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I caught up with Spidey this weekend and I must say that I liked it quite a bit. I thought Tobey Maguire did a great job as did Kirsten Dunst. I think Willem Dafoe was a bit out of his element, and that showed a bit in his performance. Typically, I think he is one of the best around, but this isn't one of his finest performances. I liked the effects much better than I expected to. They were integrated quite well. I thought that most of the characters were wuite true to the comic, especially Peter, Mary Jane, Aunt May, and J Jonah Jameson. I'm glad the film didn't stray too much from the source material.

I too noticed three frames with cap code in the second reel. I hope they come up with a less noticeable way to include that information. I don't think that the average viewer will notice it, but I did. It isn't horribly distracting, but it certainly doesn't help.


I saw the movie at the Megastar 16 in Maple Grove. This was my first experience at one of their theaters, and since they have a certain reputation around here, I was quite curious to see how things were run.

It is one of the most attractive theaters I have ever been in. It is very well decorated, and doesn't have all of the bright, gaudy colors everywhere as most theaters do. There was a sign on the door that said that they were hiring, so just out of curiousity, I asked the girl in the box office if they were hiring projectionists. She said that they were only hiring for floor staff, and that they never hire projectionists, but that the floor staff people work their way up to the booth. That didn't make me too confident about the presentation of the film I was about to see.

I can say that the film was in focus, but the sound could have been a bit better. I don't think the room was eq'ed very well. The amazing part about it is that from the first frame of the first trailer to the end of the film, there were 5-8 base scratches. The number increased as the film progressed. I have NEVER seen a film that was running for 9 days look that bad. I couldn't believe it. After the show I found a manager and told him, and he was the first manager I have ever complained to (at any theater) that really seemed to care. He gladly refunded our money (which was only $4 each for a 5:00 show) and indicated that this might be that projectionists last mistake, "if you know what I mean." I told him that they have to be much more careful in the threading and handling af their prints if they want people to come back to their theater. I also told him to look into getting some cleaning machines and filmguard. He said that he would talk to their head projectionist (a projectionist of 40 years, supposedly) about all of that. I certainly appreciate his willingness to listen, and what seemed to be genuine concern for my comments and complaints, but there is no reason or excuse for a print to be in that condistion. Maybe all of the damage was incurred during the show I saw, but probably not. Those sorts of mistakes should be dealt with and prevented whenever possible. I will certainly return to that theater again, and I am curious to see how the next films look.

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David Stambaugh
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Joe, maybe you can send your comments to the MegaStar corporate offices. They need to hear about your experience.

MegaStar


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Joe Beres
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Thanks for the suggestion, David. I just sent them an email.

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Greg Mueller
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Yessss!
Great adaptation of the comic to the big screen. Lots of fun. Even the (at some points obvious) cgi is acceptable in this film and offers no detraction.
Two points
In the mag the spider was radioactive not genetically engineered. And, the webs didn't come out of his wrists.
I liked Jameson...perfect translation.
OF COURSE HE COULDN'T HAVE A GIRL FRIEND. All the supervillans would use her to get to him. Don't you guys read comics? Geeeeeez
The Regal Poulsbo 10 is getting better. No flicker on the screen and adequate light. And, for a two week old print, in excellent shape. The only thing they could do to improve the presentation is use Film Guard. Their snipes are filthy. I guess it was in SDDS, no logos were shown at the beginning indicating SRD or DTS. It dropped out towards the end and stayed out
Yay Spidey

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Dave Williams
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As to the film bieng projected at 1:66 because of the letterboxed previews, I highly doubt that.

This would be previews of scope films presented in its whole form and not cropped down for 1:85 presentation. The last time I saw this was a flat preview of THE 13TH WARRIOR. Why its done I do not know, but it is done.

Dave

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Brad Haven
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Spiderman has just opened in australia and i thought that i would join the opening day crowd , which i haven't done before!. I believe there was only about 100 people in on the 4.30pm (about 1/3rd full!).
I went to the readings cinema in belmont (as hoyts are starting to give me the shit's!) and was quite impressed by the presentation ,
well done!!.
I enjoyed the film, but didn't love it!. I find that when making film's with established characters and story, it doesn't really leave much room for suprises or creativity, and for that reason i was a little bored. Sam raimi did a great job though in bringing the story of spiderman to the big screen. What i enjoyed most of this film was the birth of spiderman, so i'm not sure if the following episodes will appeal to me as much as this one.
A satisfying experience of cinema was had !

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Brad Haven
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Saw this last night on DVD and enjoyed it a bit more this time around.
I wasn't too impressed with the image quality and the colour on the DVD, the sound seemed ok.
I ran out of time and didn't get to check out the extras, i guess i'll have to wait till it becomes a weekly rental and rent it for free (with an overnight rental).

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Dave Williams
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I just realized I had not actually posted my review of this film!!!

SHAME ON ME!!!

Great picture. Too much fake spidey jumping around, but all in all, a very good start to a hopefully very great series of films.

Anything with Kirsten Dunst in a wet tee shirt makes me happy! [evil]

Dave

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David Stambaugh
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The widescreen DVD is very good -- I *almost* enjoyed this as much on a small screen as I did in the theater. The sound, especially Danny Elfman's score, kicks ass. The commentaries are interesting too -- as is often the case with commentaries, they point out so many small details that have to be sweated over to make the movie illusion "real".

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Dan Lyons
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I saw this for the first time a few weeks back. DVD at at friend's house. A little too much computer animation for my taste; I can only imagine how it looked on a big screen.

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Manny Knowles
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I just saw SPIDERMAN on DVD last night and I have to say that I really enjoyed the movie. I had purchased a copy right away when it was released but chose not to watch it because my expectations were way too high due to all the hype the movie received. In a way, I'm glad I waited because I was able to enjoy it for what it was. On the other hand, it would have been nice to see this in a good theatre.

SPIDERMAN moves along at a lively pace and the overall tone is just right. Kirsten and Tobey are wonderful together. Their kiss in the rain is very nicely presented. There is also an appreciable amount of complexity in the Peter Parker/Spiderman character if you consider the various relationships he maintains.

And while there certainly is a lot of obvious animation, I wasn't bothered by it in this case. In fact, I admire the aerial ballet style the animators gave him.

The newspaper editor almost stole the show. I don't recall the actor's name but it was a great surprise to see him doing comedy after being so closely identified with the Schillinger character from "Oz."

Danny Elfman gave us a nice score in this one but I would've preferred a well-defined theme.

One thought I had after watching SPIDERMAN was: "Would SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE have been better or worse with today's technology?" I think it helped SPIDERMAN but part of the magic of the Superman movie is that you *know* that's a real guy and he really looks like he's flying in a lot of those shots.

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