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Bobby Henderson
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 - posted 10-02-2003 01:52 AM      Profile for Bobby Henderson   Email Bobby Henderson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
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It was more than Harvey's suggestion, it was his order. Anyone who knows anything about Mirimax is that NOTHING happens there without his stamp of approval
Sadly true. So much for Miramax supposedly being a bastion for "independent film." What a load of horse shit. Gotta still make 5 showtimes per day possible, just like any Disney cartoon!

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And, I agree with the comment about being de-sensitized to violence. This film would NEVER play as well in Europe as it will here. I wished that America could embrace the sexual content of film and TV more instead of the violence. We might not be in so many wars. But that's another subject all together.
Wars are about the political policy of rich millionaire lawyers parading under the labels of "democrat" and "republican." But you are right about America's perverse love of violence and repulsion to sex.

America is unique in that its culture must have winners and losers in everything it does. We must have people to idolize and others to stomp in the face. This is really THE ROOT CAUSE of why we have over 10,000 gun homocides every year. Canada has just as much free gun access as America but nowhere near as many homicides per capita. American media programs us to think that violence (particularly that of using a gun as a tool) is a means to an end in solving lots of problems.

With that, kudos to Tarantino for using swords instead. [Big Grin]

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Dennis Benjamin
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Ever since I saw the trailer for this - I have been waiting.

Being a fan of John Woo and Akira Kurosawa - I can't wait for this film.

Bring on the blood......

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Chris Greenwell
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We just did a trade screening of Kill Bill yesterday, and most of the people that were in there walked out within the first half hour. I think people will really love it or really hate it...

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Bill Gabel
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All the real action starts to come together at the end of reel 4
through all of reel 5 till the end. Note end credits are just under 7 1/2 mins..

I've been running it since August, we have not had one walk-out for any of the screenings here.

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Dennis Benjamin
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This is my kind of movie. I loved it, I stayed for all the credits, I will be buying the soundtrack. I will be seeing it a few more times......

Now I am waiting for the sequel.........

I love the very beginning with the crackling feature presentation snipe.. Great stuff........

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Brad Miller
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A damn fine film indeed! Tarantino back to more of the "Reservoir Dogs" violence mixed with the style of "Pulp Fiction". Even at the 2 hour point when the show ended and being 5am in the morning, I was ready to watch the next 2 hours. Now how much longer do I have to wait to see the rest of it? To hell with Matrix 3, give me Kill Bill 2!

I have one beef with the movie. The animation sequence was unnecessary and annoying. Had Tarantino shot those scenes with people instead of animating them, it would've been much more effective.

4 1/2 stars out of 5 (lost 1/2 star because of the anime sequence)

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Dave Williams
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I disagree Brad. I thought the Anime sequence was a nice touch. Different, but nice. It did kind of derail for a minute the entire flow of the film, and seemed a bit out of place, but I did like it. I will agree to lose a half star for the scene BUT ONLY because it derailed the pace of the film.

Overall, this film just kicked my ass back and forth! I loved the thing. The Dojo Bar scene was one of the bloodiest things I have ever seen period! DAMN fine work Mr. Tarantino!

It is a must see. Anyone who walks out on this is an idiot! There I said it!

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And by the way...BE SURE TO STAY after the "written and directed" credits. There is an epilogue, and some scenes from 2. And there is a HUGE plot twist given away that will have you killing Tarantino for making you wait until February.

Was this on the trade screening prints? Because this was not on the print I saw this on this evening.

Dave

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Mike Olpin
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There were no upcoming sceenes on my prints. The last line before the credits was enough of a plot twist.

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Robb Johnston
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The trade screenings ended with the up shot of the Bride from the trunk. The scene of the Bride on the airplane and Bill's final offscreen words to O Ren Ishii's secretary were originally in the middle of the credits.

After the screenings, perhaps after hearing on internet reviews that many walked out before seeing the scenes which are more than throwaway easter eggs often witnessed there, the scenes were incorporated into the main body of the film.

By the way, am I the only one who thought that the fight scenes in this film were better than those in Matrix Reloaded? If only for the fact that the wire work in Kill Bill looked less fake/odd than the computer aided wire work? Or maybe I am still suffering from the cold I had the last week.

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Scott D. Neff
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Yeah -- no epilogue on the print I saw. And we waited around expecting something silly like that.

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Pravin Ratnam
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Watching this movie has put me on a high that I haven't experienced in a while.

First of all, damn you Harvey because this move has us waiting for the next one too long. I don't see how much more profits this move will make because judging by the opening week grosses(proably 24M), this movie will not get close to 100M. Which means the sequel will make maybe 60M because not enough people will catch the video before Vol2 comes out. Is that enough net of the overhead and extra marketing to cheat us Tarantino fans who are willing to sit through a 3 hour version? Also Vol2 viewers will be a subset of Vol1 viewers because each one is not self contained. The word of mouth seems to be very mixed. It was kind of annoying watching this movie with a matinee crowd. The only worse experiences I have had were watching the really good Big Lebowski with some suburban crowd and being the only guy to laugh out aloud during the movie. Oh, and the crowd for the Exorcist Writers Cut. Idiots were laughing at the most inopportune times while i was trying to get into the mood.

Praise goes to Robert Richardson who has given us excellent work in Natural Born Killers. He does another excellent job here. Tarantino is on the mark again with the music chosen. And the sound mixing is not clueless like the all goes approach used by other action movies. It's interesting that a movie that has a lot of excess, doesn't go overboard on the sound mix. So you don't tune out the noise.

The first scene is raw and has a lot more impact than any of the meanness you see in Michael Bay's silly Bad Boys movies. Also people, this is not a KUNG FU movie with a lot of wirefu and acrobatic stunts that you are used to seeing in Jackie Chan movies. Uma is not the second coming of Michelle Yeaoh and she doesn't aspire to be. Vol I, especially, is more of a samurai movie than a kung fu movie. You still have your wire fu and martial arts stuff,but with not much empahsis in Vol I.

There is a lot of blood spurting. I don't want to hear you f***ers whine about how fake it looked. That was intentional. You don't think Tarantino had access to peope who could make it look more realistic? It was partially an homage to the old B movies, but also at the same time, it was to give you a dose of reality to the effects of using a sword without being realistic(if that makes any sense).

The Anime Scene: Could it have been done better? Sure. In fact, the first half of the anime sequence seemed like a by the numbers How to Do Anime 101 type stuff. But then, it really ramped up. The creepy way one person tells the other too look at the eyes or look at the face was great. While I would have preferred a more out there style for the animation, I still loved it and didn't feel restless.

Uma Thurman: I was a little bit apprehensive if she could pull it off with the toughness aspect despite loving her Game of Death look in the teaser. Man, I am glad she turned out great. If one could nominate Zeta Jones and Renee for the lightweight forgettable annoying Chicago, what about Uma in a more demanding role here despite the critics snide remarks about the lack of background for the character(like that stopped them from praising the simple characters of Chicago). Action takes a backseat to simplistic musicals in our world.

Lucy Liu: I normally find her annoying.But she was really good here and the scene with the mafia heads is one to be seen.

The long toe scene : Made some peoplein the audience uncomfortable. I guess they would have preferred to have some long lingering look at her naked or something. I am glad Tarantino didn't make this movie to include what a lot of the regular moviegoers and critics would look for, but what he wanted. Yeah, I was looking at those bent toes, but hell, it added a certain rawness to the character and made it seem more real. Plus you just gotta admire the balls it took to stick with the scene for so long.

The final fight scene: just great. No showiness. Just down to business and lots of blood. Bloodbath gets a literal depiction at the end of the fight.

I recommend this movie very highly even if I know there will be someone reading this who will hate the movie.

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Brad Miller
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It's pretty obvious Quentin has a major, major foot fetish. He seems to go out of his way in his movies to make sure to work into the script any chance for an actress to walk around barefoot and with as many overly closeup shots as possible of their feet.

Makes me wonder how many hours of raw "footage" he has in his private collection.

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Michael Schaffer
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The most violent element in this movie was the anti-piracy code. The print I watched was really nice and clean, and especially during the black-and-white and the blue silhouette fight scenes the code spoiled the visual impact for me drastically.

I liked the movie. I understand it comes from a comic style, but I thought the blood fountains were a bit over the top. It made it a little silly. But I liked the fact that there was so much Japanese dialog. It was also quite well spoken by the American characters. That shows they payed attention to detail.

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Pravin Ratnam
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Oh, I forgot to talk about Vivica Fox who nailed her part down. It was a relief to see QT get someone like Fox than an annoying Halle Berry who looks too stiff in her action roles and seems to hog all the black action roles in recent times. I have always felt Vivica Fox had a good screen presence and a very no nonsense aspect about her acting. Only problem is the trailer pretty much shows you most of her scenes.

I just hope Darryl Hannah doesn't make one cringe in Vol 2. She is just a mediocre actress. Hopefully, Tarantino will use her in a way that wont expose her limited abilities.

Michael, I agree about the CRAP code. It hasnt bothered me as much in other movies. But here, with the great cinematography, it really stood out in some scenes.

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Aaron Garman
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I absolutely loved the film. Damn Mr. Wienstein for making us wait until 2004 to see the rest of this masterpiece. As for the CRAP code, it was really bothersome. I'm getting really tired of seeing this garbage all over the screen. Suggestion: studios should crack down on internal thieves rather than paying customers who simply want to watch a nice presentation.

AJG

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