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Topic: Jarhead (2005)
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
Posts: 10973
From: Lawton, OK, USA
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 11-05-2005 11:36 PM
Paul, you're from Cherry Point territory. Former Marine?
Yep. My father, Charles Henderson, knew Carlos Hathcock, Jim Land and all the other guys who started the Scout Sniper School in Quantico. I was in high school when my father started the book. Hathcock stayed at our place a couple times. My father just finished the first draft of his fifth Vietnam oriented book. This one is a very entertaining fictional novel inspired by true events that deal with the military justice system and seedy goings-on in DaNang.
I'd like to know my father's take on "Jarhead," but I'm not sure if he'll see it until it is on DVD. I have heard "Jarhead" doesn't go after the political angle much at all -which might be a good thing. A movie about Marines and the Marine Corps Experience should tell it how it is, but without spinning it in any political direction.
My father and his Marine Corps buddies checked out "Full Metal Jacket" at a theater on New York's Upper East Side. They laughed their asses off (possibly to the horror of other audience members) when R. Lee Ermey unleashed the best DI performance in movie history. It was as if they were being reminded of the good old days. My dad went through MCRD San Diego when the Drill Instructors could still use profanity and worse.
quote: Kurt Zupin
14-15 years ago, it was "ok" for a DI to hit a recruit, they could get in your face. Push you back, push you to the ground, do what ever they really wanted to do. Was there regulations? Yes but they were not inforced like they are now, it was just all part of bootcamp. That all ended in the mid 90s when a DI beat up a recruit for mouthing off to him. The recruit was in the base hospital for two months. Big lawsuit and discharge for the DI and the military changed its ways.
Actually the rules changed well before that incident. A series of different events, starting with the infamous Ribbon Creek Incident at Paris Island in 1956 where six Marines drowned in a swamp, put the spotlight on DI abuses. By the early 1980s Marine Corps Drill Instructors were not to use profane language or make any kind of aggressive physical contact on enlisted recruits. OCS candidates were still given a huge barrage of colorful language. A DI could not order you to climb the "stairway to heaven" obstacle. But if you refused to do it, you would fail that part of the course and could be given an exit from basic training. Obviously some drill sergeants break some of these rules.
quote: Will Kutler
Those that went to Saudi had their peacetime salaries replaced by a wartime package that actually turned out to be less than that of peacetime. But they are the ones that got the medals.
Most Marines I knew referred to medals as "fruit salad". Many had little meaning, and some little merit. Some officer in the rear with the gear has a buddy write him up for a Silver Star. Whoopie. But if you saw some Corporal walking around with a Navy Cross in his collection of fruit salad that was probably someone who did a hell of a courageously dangerous thing to earn it.
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Dave Williams
Wet nipple scene
Posts: 1836
From: Salt Lake City, UT, USA
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 11-08-2005 12:05 AM
quote: Paul J. Neuhaus
Dave my appologies but you can't clame the title Marine if you didn't earn it.
Well my apologies to you and the entire corps then for my claiming the title of Marine.
quote: Dave Williams
Yes, I was a Marine. For three whole days. I never even made it to boot camp, that's how long I was a Marine.
I didn't include a cutesy little ![[uhoh]](graemlins/uhoh.gif) or ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) or perhaps a ![[evil]](graemlins/evil.gif) either. It was always my intention to make sure that anyone who read it understood that I was toung in cheek while stating what I stated, as not even I consider myself a "true" marine.
Even I am aware that if you don't make it out of boot alive you are not a marine. The mere fact that I was bieng held at a hotel room until my disposition could be figured out for three days doesn't make me a marine.
Once again, my most sincerest apologies for not making clear that I was making light of an event of my life that ended up having great impact on my future, and how it related to how I might feel about this film when I saw it.
That bieng said, I loved the film, and got to see the tedium that so many of our soldiers felt during that time of our history. I also understood what my best freind in the world experienced for eight solid months, only to be dissapointed and not having a chance to kill anyone.
So no, in reality, I was never a marine. Technically, I was only a temporary member of the armed services hoping to become a marine, only to be found wanting.
So go ![[beer]](graemlins/beer.gif) yourselves.
HA
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Bob Maar
(Maar stands for Maartini)
Posts: 28608
From: New York City & Newport, RI
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 11-08-2005 11:19 AM
There are no ex-Marines only former Marines.
November 10th will be the Marine Corps 230th Birthday.
I was at Parris Island in 1961 and served in the Marine Corps until 1968. I would not trade this experience and devotion to the corps that you can only attain by going through the boot camp experience. I happen to be in San Antonio since this past Saturday and staying at the Westin Hotel. Last Saturday evening they Hosted the Marine Corps Ball celebrating the 230th Birthday which will be on Thursday. Most attendies came in Dress Blues and I was able to speak with them as a former Marine. Many had just returned from their second duty call in Iraq. I love these guy's as brothers. Semper Fi!
Marine Corps Birthday Celebration
Read Major General John A. Lejeune's Birthday Message
The U.S. Marine Corps begins preparations for its "birthday party" every summer. Activities become more feverish as the fall hues arrive. By early November, every Marine is either rehearsing his role in the "party" or pressing, polishing, and spit-shining in order to appear at his or her best for the Birthday Ball. This has not always been the case, however. In fact, Marines have not always celebrated their founding on November the 10th.
Formal commemoration of the birthday of the Marine Corps began on 10 November 1921. That particular date was chosen because on that day the Second Continental Congress resolved in 1775 to raise two battalions of Continental Marines.
Until 1921 the birthday of the Corps had been celebrated on another date. An unidentified newspaper clipping from 1918 refers to the celebration of the 120th birthday of the Marine Corps on 11 July "as usual with no fuss." It is doubtful that there was any real celebration at all. Further inspection of documents and publications prior to 1921 shows no evidence of ceremonies, pageants, or parties. The July date was commemorated between 1798 and 1921 as the birthday of the Corps. During the Revolution, Marines had fought on land and sea, but at the close of the Revolution the Marine Corps and the Navy were all but disbanded. On 11 July 1798, President John Adams approved a bill that recreated the Corps, thereby providing the rationale for this day being commemorated as the birthday of the U.S. Marine Corps.
On 21 October 1921, Major Edwin McClellan, Officer-in-Charge, Historical Section, Headquarters Marine Corps, sent a memorandum to Major General Commandant John A. Lejeune, suggesting that the original birthday on 10 November 1775 be declared a Marine Corps holiday to be celebrated throughout the Corps. McClellan further suggested that a dinner be held in Washington to commemorate the event. Guests would include prominent men from the Marine Corps, Army, and Navy, and descendants of the Revolution.
Accordingly, on 1 November 1921, General Lejeune issued Marine Corps Order No. 47, Series 1921. The order summarized the history, mission, and tradition of the Corps, and directed that it be read to every command on 10 November each subsequent year in honor of the birthday of the Marine Corps. This order has been duly carried out.
Some commands expanded the celebration during the next few years. In 1923 at Fort Mifflin, Pennsylvania, the celebration of the Marine Corps' 148th birthday took the form of a dance in the barracks that evening. Marines at the Navy Yard, Norfolk, Virginia, staged a sham battle on the parade ground in commemoration of the birthday. The battle lasted about twenty minutes, and was witnessed by Portsmouth and Norfolk citizens. At Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the birthday was celebrated on the 12th, since a special liberty to Santiago had been arranged on the 10th. The morning activities included field and water sports, and a shooting match. In the afternoon the Marines won a baseball game, 9-8, over a Cuban team. In the evening, members of the command put on a variety show followed by four boxing bouts.
The first so-called "Birthday Ball," such as suggested by Major McClellan, was probably held in 1925 in Philadelphia. No records have been located of one prior to 1925. Guests included the Secretaries of War and Navy, Major General Commandant Lejeune, famous statesmen, soldiers, and sailors. The principle event was the unveiling of a tablet on the site of Tun Tavern. The tablet was a gift from the Thomas Roberts Reath Post, American Legion, whose membership was composed exclusively of Marines. The celebration was held in conjunction with the annual convention of the Marine Corps League. A parade included Marines, Regular Army, and Navy detachments, National Guard, and other military organizations. The evening banquet was held at the Benjamin Franklin Hotel and a ball followed at the Bellevue-Stratford.
It is not possible to determine precisely when the first cake ceremony was held, but the first on record was held at Marine Barracks, Washington, D.C., in 1937. Major General Commandant Thomas Holcomb presided at an open house for Marine Corps officers. Ceremonies included the cutting of a huge cake designed after the famous Tun Tavern in Philadelphia.
From 1937, observances of the Marine Corps Birthday appeared to develop spontaneously throughout the Corps as if they had a life of their own. The celebrations were publicized through every media. Newsreels, motion pictures, and displays were prepared to summarize the history of the Corps. In 1943, standard blank Marine Corps scrap books were forwarded to all districts to be filled with 168th anniversary clippings, scripts, pictures, programs, and other memorabilia, and returned to Headquarters. Unfortunately none of these scrapbooks remain in official files.
In 1951, a formal Birthday Ball Pageant was held at Headquarters Marine Corps. Similar to the pageant today, the script described the Marines' period uniforms and the cake ceremony. Although this is the first substantive record of a pageant, Leatherneck of 10 November 1925 pictures Marines at a pageant in Salt Lake City, Utah, which had taken place "several years ago."
On 28 October 1952, the Commandant of the Marine Corps, General Lemuel C. Shepherd, Jr., directed that the celebration of the Marine Corps Birthday be formalized throughout the Corps, and provided an outline for the cake ceremony, as well as other formal observances. This outline was included in the Marine Corps Drill Manual, approved 26 January 1956.
Traditionally, the first piece of Birthday cake is presented to the oldest Marine present and the second piece to the youngest Marine present. When and where this tradition began remains unknown. Some records indicate this practice, and others vary it depending on the dignitaries present at the ball. First pieces of cake have been presented to newlyweds, the Secretary of the Navy, governors, and others, but generally speaking, the first pieces of cake go to the oldest and youngest Marines at the ball.
At present, celebrations of the Marine Corps Birthday on 10 November differ at posts and stations throughout the Corps. All commemorations include the reading of Marine Corps Order No. 47, and the Commandant's message to those assembled. Most commands sponsor a Birthday Ball of some sort, complete with pageant and cake ceremony as prescribed in the Marine Corps Manual.
Like the Corps itself, the Birthday Ball developed from simple origins to become the polished, professional function that all Marines commemorate on 10 November around the world.
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Jeremy Fuentes
Mmmm, Dr. Pepper!
Posts: 1168
From: Corpus Christi, TX United States
Registered: Jan 2004
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posted 11-08-2005 11:53 AM
Happy early Marine Corps Birthday to all Marines reading. My dad and 7 of his brothers are all former Marines, and I would have been one to, if it werent for my back surgery. So, needless to say, Marine Corps pride runs deep in my family. This was my most anticipated movie of the year, and it didnt let me down at all. Great performances by Jamie Foxx, and Jake Gylenhaal(sp?), and an even better performance by Peter Sarsgaard. Also, I enjoyed the soundtrack and the desert scenery at night lit up by the burning oil wells was a nice shot. Movie of the year.
5/5
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