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Author Topic: Jarhead (2005) Josh Jones Redhat Posts: 1207 From: Plano, TX Registered: Apr 2000 posted 11-10-2005 12:29 AM                        SPOILERS!! Duh Mike, he committed suicide bacause nothing in the world meant more to him than being in the corps. Remember the scene where they are sitting in the abandoned watch tower, and jake says some thing to the effect of, "all I want is to get out of here, and all you want is to stay in." That point right there shows, at least to me, how much being in the corps meant to him. Josh  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 11-10-2005 01:12 AM                        SPOILERS But Kurt said he died in a car accident. Or did he crash - intentionally or unintentionally - because he didn't want to go on anymore? Could be. That is one other thing I didn't quite understand: One guy on the plane said he joined because it was a way to avoid going to jail. But Troy is kicked out because he has a criminal record. Or is it because he lied about it? Why would he have to lie though? Would his record have prevented him from being accepted? Why could the other guy pay off his debt to society by joining and he - who had apparently already completed his punishment - couldn't stay? Because his offence was more severe?  |  IP: Logged Josh Jones Redhat Posts: 1207 From: Plano, TX Registered: Apr 2000 posted 11-10-2005 02:04 AM                        well, you could read the book....  |  IP: Logged Kurt Zupin Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 989 From: Maricopa, Arizona Registered: Oct 2004 posted 11-10-2005 04:24 AM                     if you look at the timeline of the movie, its at least a couple years after they got out that he died...look at fergus hair, how long it is. I don't think he killed himself cause he couldn't be in the corps any more, he would of done that sooner. My guess is he got kicked out for lying, and if I remember right. It was something about drugs. I think that the Texas guy did something stupied and thats why he got the choice.  |  IP: Logged Bob Maar (Maar stands for Maartini) Posts: 28608 From: New York City & Newport, RI Registered: Feb 2001 posted 11-10-2005 12:34 PM                        Happy Birthday to all Marines: https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/holiday/usmc/2005_playmovie.asp?isc=gdg1110&se=%2B  |  IP: Logged John Pommon Film Handler Posts: 25 From: San Francisco, CA, USA Registered: Nov 2000 posted 11-11-2005 04:07 AM                        While in Basic at Ft Ord [1970] we went through an infiltration course at night 100 yards long with barbed wire fences every 15 yards. The lowest strand of barbed wire was about 18 inches off the ground. We crawled the length of the course with our M-16 rifles under the barbed wire fences on our backs all the time rounds of live ammo being fired over our heads. We had been told the rounds were around 3' off the ground, but they seemed around 6' from the tracers I saw. I always wondered who and where were they firing from. Glad they were good shots.  |  IP: Logged Richard Greco Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1180 From: Plant City, FL Registered: Nov 2003 posted 11-11-2005 08:44 AM                     Very Good Movie...I am former NAVY, but I can relate to this film. I never unfortunately got to go anywhere (medical discharge) but wanted to. This movie is very cool. Any reviews on previous pages say it all... 4.5/5  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-11-2005 04:10 PM                     What??? A Richard Greco review without a rating on the Greco factor?  |  IP: Logged Richard Greco Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1180 From: Plant City, FL Registered: Nov 2003 posted 11-11-2005 10:22 PM                     Well, His girlfriend would get a 3/5.... But there really isn't a need for a Greco Factor on the rest of the movie..It was kinda gross seeing Jake Gyllenhall's butt...So no Greco Factor for that....  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 11-12-2005 12:35 AM                        So it freaks you out to see another man's butt? Are you not secure enough in your masculinity to handle that? Maybe there is some latent gayness there that you are suppressing.  |  IP: Logged Jennifer Pan THE JEN! Posts: 1219 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: Nov 2003 posted 11-13-2005 01:08 AM                        I expected more from this movie but still enjoyed it very much. Plenty of eye candy for me, definitely some hot looking dudes in this flick. My friend next me was nudging me, he noticed I was practically drooling.  |  IP: Logged Bob Maar (Maar stands for Maartini) Posts: 28608 From: New York City & Newport, RI Registered: Feb 2001 posted 11-18-2005 09:10 AM                        I went to see Jarhead yesterday afternoon. There is no resembalance to the Marine Corps that I served in back in the 1960's. I can easily understand why the NY Critic's gave the movie 1/2 star.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 11-21-2005 12:48 AM                     I finally saw "Jarhead" Sunday afternoon. Overall, the show had a few decent moments to it, but I think it was screwed up by a mixed bag of clichés, Hollywood bullshit insertions of over the top drama moments and some flat out inaccurate things. I can't help but wonder how very different Swofford's book is from this show. The parts I liked -the troops moving through the oil fires and oil soaked landscapes were eerie. There's some pretty cool camera shots in that stuff. The bombed traffic jam on the highway was a real event. I thought the most "authentic" scene in the movie is where Swofford gets punished and put on duty to burn shitters. That's real Marine Corps life there! There's a lot of moments in the movie that had me muttering bullshit. The bootcamp stuff early on seemed very questionable. As I stated earlier, drill instructors are forbidden from physically abusing recruits and directing profane language at them. I could be wrong on that, but I'm pretty sure that has been the policy for quite some time now and during the time of Desert Storm. We see a kind of half-assed re-enactment of the opening scenes in "Full Metal Jacket." There may indeed be cases where DIs do cross the line and use profanity and physical violence against recruits. But it sure isn't policy these days. They can make a recruit's life pure hell without resorting to any of those tactics. And besides, ALL who join the Marines these days WANT to be there. The Marines are picky about who gets to join these days. The Army, on the other hand, doesn't get to be so choosy. I muttered bullshit at the live fire accident. The man on the M-60 would have to have his head so far up his ass not to see some idiot panicking under the barb wire -especially when he's firing the gun that damned close. Durp! Oh, and one more thing -that's not the kind of shit you do in Scout Sniper Warfare Training. Of course when it comes to sniper training, they don't even do that at Camp Pendleton or as part of any basic training course. Sniper training is held in Quantico, VA at the Marine Corps Base there. The Marines even train personnel from other service branches there, and even marksmen from some police departments as well. I had to wonder why they were using those generic human silhouette targets rather than normal paper targets with V-rings. It's a lot easier to "keep score" with a traditional target. One thing they did get right at least: the M-40A1 custom sniper rifle. With some of the stuff I saw I was getting worried they would try to pass off an M-16 as a sniper rifle tool. I think this movie could have been a lot better if it weren't for all the inserted "dear John letter" drama and scenes that seemed grabbed from "Full Metal Jacket," "Platoon," "The Great Santini" and "Apocalypse Now." My understanding is Swofford's book is more centered on the sheer boredom and detachment that many Marines felt in all that idle time out in the Kuwati sand. Unfortunately, other movies have dramatized that whole thing better -including the somewhat recent "Three Kings." At least that show had some kind of direction: the goal of stealing Saddam's stolen gold. (later edit made to correct a couple stupid typos) [ 11-21-2005, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: Bobby Henderson ]  |  IP: Logged Greg Mueller Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1687 From: Port Gamble, WA Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-27-2005 11:54 PM                        Good movie I hope "the idiots" see fit to give it the Oscar(s) it deserves  |  IP: Logged David Stambaugh Film God Posts: 4021 From: Eugene, Oregon Registered: Jan 2002 posted 12-04-2005 07:49 PM                        Today @ 1:25PM, Cinemark 17 in Springfield, House #17, SR-D. Very sparse crowd (like 5). There was about 20 secs. midway through that looked like it had been in an "accident" (dirty and scratched). Otherwise OK. Great movie, glad I finally got around to seeing it. In its own way it has some unforgettable visual imagery right up there with "Apocalypse Now". Well, maybe it doesn't achieve that level of greatness, but it's still pretty damn good. Hope it at least gets nominated for something. I do agree with Bobby's comments about the basic training segment. That part seemed way over the top.  |  IP: Logged

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