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Author Topic: Peter Jackson's King Kong
Martin Brooks
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I liked this film also (but agree that it was too long.) Sometimes I think that posters on this Board will put down anything by anyone successful, regardless of the merits. It's amazing to me that this film garnered more negativity than the average teen comedy or TV show derivation piece-of-crap. At least this film attempted to develop a story line with emotional resonance beyond the action scenes.

While there were some CGI problems and it was too long, I think that overall, this was an exciting, well-told and well-crafted movie.

When I first heard that Jack Black was casted as Denham, I had my doubts. But I think the change in the Denham character from a stand-in for Merian C. Cooper to a more reckless characterization of an Orson Welles-type (and Black looked kind of like a young Welles) worked quite well. I also thought that Naiomi Watts was terrific - someone else posted that she "can't act." What was it exactly about her acting that was poor? The relationship she had with Kong was fun and completely credible within the context and world of the movie.

I do think that some of the action scenes were roller-coaster in nature and an attempt to out-Spielberg Spielberg. I think they thought, "okay, not that we've done that, let's pile this on top of that and now let's do this bigger thing on top of that and now let's compound it even more by doing this on top of that...."

There was one important thing about Black's performance (or Jackson's directing) that I didn't like. I thought the last line...."it was beauty that killed the beast" was not delivered well - it didn't sound like Black was into that line. It could have been either stated more emphatically or the opposite - vastly underplayed, but it didn't work for me as it was.

If I were making the film (ha!), I wouldn't have thought of casting Black or Watts. But look at the 1976 version: it had really great actors (Jeff Bridges and Jessica Lange), but the film was a travesty.

When I saw videos of the sets, I thought that Manhattan looked terrible. But in the movie, it looked amazingly good and very realistic, even though there were some geographical errors. It was so good that I found myself looking for the office that my father later worked at before thinking to myself, "wait a minute...this is just a miniature set and computer renderings." They got so much right, that I'm surprised at what they got wrong. The theatre where Kong appears was actually at the location of the Loews State, although that was probably purposeful. The Loews New York that was shown up the block was amazingly realistic - they got the marquee completely right. But they showed a shot of the Rivoli that was actually a block or two south of where the actual Rivoli was located. And when they showed Kong in front of Macy's, they showed an elevated train line behind him and I don't believe there was ever a 6th Avenue El. But these are just nitpicks - it all worked within the context of the film.

I saw it at the Empire #25, screen #6. Very large theater and screen, but the sound sucked: the digital sound was too loud and very metallic and brittle sounding. I suspect this was a SDDS presentation. If it was, I wish they'd dump those SDDS boxes already.

I'd give the film 4/5 stars.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Martin Brooks
But these are just nitpicks
One nitpick occurs to me, both in the original and the remake: after Kong falls off the Empire State Building, the crowd are all gathered neatly round his corpse, gazing at it. If there had been large crowds around the base of the building at the time Kong fell off, then presumably some of them would have ended up being squelched by 16 tons of falling gorilla. But no-one seemed to be in the least bit concerned about that...

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Michael Schaffer
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quote: Martin Brooks
I do think that some of the action scenes were roller-coaster in nature and an attempt to out-Spielberg Spielberg. I think they thought, "okay, not that we've done that, let's pile this on top of that and now let's do this bigger thing on top of that and now let's compound it even more by doing this on top of that...."
But isn't that the point of a monster show? To show us something spectacular we haven't seen before. I don't think there is any philosophical dimension to watching a giant monkey fight dinosaurs, it's pure spectacle. If he had done less, people would have said "but there was more monster action in Jurassic Park".

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Mike Blakesley
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quote: Greg Mueller
Can you imagine running along side a dozen or so cattle stampeding in a narrow canyon, with ravenous wolves trying to take you down at the same time? Our heros do it and succeed, except it's brontosauruses and velociraptors.
I am surprised no one else mentioned this. It was my least favorite bit of the movie. Roger Ebert's review mentioned that the people somehow managed to occupy the exact same space as the dino's legs, yet not get stepped on. There are a few too many instances of people falling impossible distances without getting a scratch, or people running through a thick jungle but never tripping on anything or even stumbling.

The best part was the airplane sequence. I've been able to stand in the back of the theatre and watch people duck as the planes fly over. Cool! It was a great looking movie all around, especially the NYC sequences. I've always been a fan of the Empire State Building anyway.

I thought the beginning was too long, and yes it could have easily been a 140 minute movie. Nearly all the action scenes could have been shorter too. But, I've been listening to the crowds as they exit and literally no one has been griping about the length. (Often I'll hear teenagers saying, "I thought it would NEVER end" coming out of a long show, but not on this one.)

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Martin Brooks
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quote: Martin Brooks
But these are just nitpicks
One nitpick occurs to me, both in the original and the remake: after Kong falls off the Empire State Building, the crowd are all gathered neatly round his corpse, gazing at it. If there had been large crowds around the base of the building at the time Kong fell off, then presumably some of them would have ended up being squelched by 16 tons of falling gorilla. But no-one seemed to be in the least bit concerned about that...

In both versions, the airplanes were fighting Kong for some time and you hear police sirens even before Kong climbs the Empire State Building. So the base of the building might have been kept clear by the army and/or police until after Kong falls, then they couldn't keep the rush of people back.

To me, the bigger flaw of logic (although it's necessary for the movie) is that Kong is still in one piece when he hits the ground. But would you have rather seen gorilla guts spread out over Fifth Avenue?

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Michael Schaffer
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Yes.

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Jeremy Jorgenson
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quote: Martin Brooks
...."it was beauty that killed the beast" was not delivered well -
I read that Fay Wray was to have a cameo as a bystander & was to be the one saying that line ... but she died before filming the scene.

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Michael Schaffer
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quote: Michael Schaffer was the last to post
Yes.
And it would have been great if the onlookers had been sprayed with gorilla blood and brains. That would have been a nice stylistic reference to Jackson's earlier work.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Dam, I finally made it through this one.... Watched it at the Teton Theatre in Jackson Hole, WY last week.
The trick for me was to begin watching at the end or reel 2. After that its a pretty good film overall. Better I think than either of the others, definately way better than the second one. The effects are really good as was the cinematography and sound mix. If there's ever a dorectors cut hopefully the first two reels can be greatly shortened... say to about 1000' in length.

quote: Greg Mueller
Can you imagine running along side a dozen or so cattle stampeding in a narrow canyon, with ravenous wolves trying to take you down at the same time? Our heros do it and succeed, except it's brontosauruses and velociraptors.
Gee I seem to remember that some of them were stepped on or kicked out of the way... outlandish for sure.... Of course none of the main characters got squished... somehow I just knew the sound man and cinematographer were doomed from the beginning.....

Mark

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Chris Hipp
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Pretty good movie, I agree it could have been a half hour shorter. I personally could care less how fake the monkeys CGI toungue looked or any of that other stupid stuff that people hates movies for. It kept me entertained and that is all that matters to me.

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Jennifer Pan
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Wow, there is a nice side to Chris...

I also agree about the CGI... honestly if I can't do that stuff, I shouldn't be complaining.

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Joe Redifer
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So basically you're saying you shouldn't complain about ANY movie?

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Jennifer Pan
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Stuff that I can not do... like CGI. If I can act better than the actor... I'll complain. If I can direct better and write a better story then they could I'll complain about it. If I can edit better than they could, I will complain. I've taken acting classes and directed in them as well, yes it doesn't quailfy for much but if they handed me a script and told me to act or direct I'd be willing and able to do it. Everyday I put myself in the directors seat and watch how normal people act around each other. I observe every movement, every mannerism, and the list keeps going. As for CGI and the like I have no business giving a bad comment on something I have no idea how to do myself. On occassion I agree that sometimes the graphics look like they haven't been improved over the years but give or take they will improve over time.

I'll complain if the print is scratched or if there is shadowing or even if the sound is too loud, because I usually can do a better job than whoever threaded and started that movie.

Going back to the review... I think the sweetest part of the movie was when they were on the ice covered pond.

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