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Author Topic: Brokeback Mountain Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 01-21-2006 01:38 AM                     Thx Phil for the "chewing out". I deleted such comments that I made and apologize to the FT forum. thx-Monte [ 01-21-2006, 05:28 AM: Message edited by: Monte L Fullmer ]  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-21-2006 08:30 AM                  Monte, my post was not meant as a "chewing out" but rather as a response and as to how Hollywood "really" works. After many years of working in "Hollywood" I have NO love for any of the awards or their shows. They are ALL based on who has the best marketing campaign and hype $$$ (and many times who has the most influential friends) for a particular movie. Which means it's not necessarily the "best" film that wins. Although, thankfully it usually does. Anyway, I'm sorry if I came across a little strong and I'm sorry you elected to delete your post. I deleted my response post as it is not any longer relevant without your original post. OBTW: Back on topic and as I've said before, I didn't like "Brokeback Mountain" and thought it one of the worst movies of 2005...Lame and waaaay too corny.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 01-21-2006 01:24 PM                     Thx Phil, and apology accepted as always. I just need to be a bit more careful in what I say on certain topics.  |  IP: Logged Robert Burtcher Expert Film Handler Posts: 194 From: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Registered: Jun 2005 posted 01-22-2006 05:56 AM                     Back on topic... Caution: This post contains a spoiler or two. I somewhat enjoyed Brokeback Mountain. The acting and scenery was good, but in my opinion, the story needed some work. In some parts of the film, the story was good and appropriately paced. In other parts, however, I found myself watching the screen, then suddenly the thought, "Oh, hey, look at that. The movie reflects off of the supports for the ceiling tiles," popped into my brain as my eyes got bored and began to wander. The bit at the end was also disappointing. I would have liked to see more of what happened to Jack Swift... Like an investigation of some sort or Ennis following up with the police, etc. There's plenty of suggestion in the scene to suggest what happened (i.e. Lureen's flat, script-feeling explinaion of what happened to Jack), but enough is left to the imagination to leave some (me included) with a confused, unsettled feeling. All in all, though, pretty decent movie. A lot more intriguing and original than most of the drivel being produced.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-22-2006 12:38 PM                        OK, I admit I still haven't see it; I hate lines and have a very short list of theatres that I will patronize that do a half-way decent job of presentation worthy of my 10 bucks. BUT, let me put in a few 2 cents here. I find all the hoopla about this film perplexing, well, maybe not perplexing exactly as I certainly understand how the studios' marketing machines work and how they will do anything they can to promote a film. But to say BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN is a "landmark" gay film that "takes great risks" is patently ludicrous. The other day I saw MYSTERIOUS SKIN. People, if think BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN "pushes the envelope," it must be one mighty small envelope. MYSTERIOUS SKIN is BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN on steroids. It makes BM look like kindergarten at Disneyland. MYSTERIOUS SKIN has mainstream actors who do incredibly outstanding work -- Joseph Gordon-Levitt portrays a gay young man who was molested as a child; he is so believable that it hurts. His work as well as the rest of the case is nothing short of amazing and every bit as worthy of a Golden Globe or Academy Award nod as anyone in the cast of BM. Has this film or the director or the actors even been acknowledged by the media, other than by film festivals all over the rest of the world? Not a chance. The scenes with sexual content are very graphic (but not overtly sexual -- everything is visually inferred like the shower stabbing sequence in PSYCHO); no question the subject matter is as taboo as you can get and as we all know, in Hollywood cowardice is a virtue. So talk about actors being "brave".... this is miles ahead of anything that's done in BM. MYSTERIOUS SKIN grabs you and doesn't let go till the credit crawl. How is it that no one seems to get it: actors worth their profession just play characters; they are not the characters. I'm not a doctor...I just play one on TV. HELLLLLLOOOOO! So much of what is being said in the media about BM is nonsence when they talk about "a first" in gay themed movies. There is nothing first about it. Has anyone heard of MAURICE, or TOTAL ECLIPSE or the many other worthy gay-themed films, hell, there was a man-to-man, direct-on-the-mouth kiss in SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE way back in the early 1970s....so what's the freakin big deal about BM? The media should really get a grip here and not just regurgitate what the publicity departments spew out. As for the actors, they really should just shut up already and read their lines because when they are speaking their own words the can really sound stupid. I give you all that crap about how hard it is to do gay characters. We get it Jake Gyllenhaal....your're straight....fine keep patting yourself on the back, as if you did anything to earn being straight, and then get over yourself; no one cares. As for Hollywood being afraid of gay themes, that goes way back. My understanding is that Paul Newman bought the rights to the best-seller FRONT RUNNER, but couldn't get actors to sign on to the project and couldn't get it produced. He himself was said to have second thoughts about playing the gay coach. He chose the more couragous route and went into the salad dressing business instead. I know some macho stagehands who will not go to see BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN alone; they won't go unless they have a girl with them. For people who profess so very loudly that they are straight and macho, they really need to grow a pair. [ 01-23-2006, 07:40 AM: Message edited by: Frank Angel ]  |  IP: Logged Don Furr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 509 From: Sun City, Ca USA Registered: Nov 2002 posted 01-22-2006 01:37 PM                     You're right Frank. It's certainly not the first gay-themed flick to hit the big screen but IMO it was the first one done in this magnitude. The acting wasn't as strong as it could have been but nevertheless it was very enjoyable. 4* out of 5* I did go back in this Film Handler's Move Review forum to the summer of 2002 and BM has had more reviews on this forum than every movie EXCEPT "My Big Fat Greek Wedding". Gosh, I'm not sure what that means Don  |  IP: Logged Eric Hooper Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 532 From: Fort Worth, TX, USA Registered: May 2003 posted 01-22-2006 01:58 PM                     Mysterious Skin is more for a select audience. Brokeback Mountain has universal themes and a cross-over audience, without having an 'agenda', not to mention excellent acting, direction, and cinematography. That's what the 'hoopla' is about, and why it's being embraced and hailed the way it is. Comparing Brokeback Mountain to some of these other 'gay' titles is like comparing apples and oranges.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-22-2006 04:05 PM                  Great post Frank! You nailed it! There have been MANY "gay" films pushing the envelope since movies 1st started. Perhaps a good reference would be the book: "The Celluloid Closet", by Vito Russo and/or the film by the same title. (BTW: I wish y'all would stop saying "BM". While we all know "Brokeback" has a "gay" theme, BM sounds more like something my doctor would say.)  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Jorgenson Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1002 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Feb 2005 posted 01-22-2006 04:54 PM                        quote: Don Furr BM has had more reviews on this forum than every movie EXCEPT "My Big Fat Greek Wedding". What constitutes a "review" for you? The Episode III thread goes to 11 pages, whereas Brokeback Mtn. & My Big Fat... each go to 5 pages. I realize that a lot of the Episode III posts are not specifically reviews, but the same can be said of many of these Brokeback Mtn. posts.  |  IP: Logged Matt Fields Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 545 From: Ohio, United States Registered: Jun 2005 posted 01-22-2006 06:08 PM                     I think Brokeback is "controversial" for two reasons... 1. By gay movie standards, alot of people are going to see it. 2. Cowboys are traditionally a very straight character. I used to work at the arthouse in Columbus, OH (The Drexel). We played gay movies all the time, wasn't any big deal.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-24-2006 04:55 PM                  quote: Matt Fields 1. By gay movie standards, alot of people are going to see it. Please enlighten me as to what are "...gay movie standards..."? I have NO f*cking clue, but it appears YOU do...  |  IP: Logged Matt Fields Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 545 From: Ohio, United States Registered: Jun 2005 posted 01-24-2006 09:38 PM                     For a movie that is about a romance between two men, a lot of people are going to see it. If the exact same movie came out and nobody went, no one would be talking about it.  |  IP: Logged Anslem Rayburn Master Film Handler Posts: 476 From: Yuma, AZ, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 01-25-2006 01:01 AM                     "Gay" movies Pretty high on that list, and will certainly climb much higher before the dust settles. Just got home from watching it. It is a good movie, if a bit slow. Since it's purely dialog and scenery, it feels longer than it really is. Overall, I can understand the hype surrounding it, and it lived up to it, in my opinion.  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 01-25-2006 02:46 AM                        quote: Matt Fields For a movie that is about a romance between two men, a lot of people are going to see it. If the exact same movie came out and nobody went, no one would be talking about it. That is true and very deep. Kind of like the thing with the tree falling in the forest but nobody hears it. Although there are usually a lot of animals in the forest, so I guess in reality there is always someone who hears it. Some of the small animals might also get crushed by the falling tree.  |  IP: Logged Phil Hill I love my cootie bug Posts: 7595 From: Hollywood, CA USA Registered: Mar 2000 posted 01-25-2006 06:28 PM                  Anslem, thank you for the link. I found that list interesting...  |  IP: Logged

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