posted 03-24-2006 04:06 PM                    

quote: Ian Price

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On Thursday they also recorded no ticket sales and didn't run the film. I was there to see Failure to Launch. That's two days in the first week where nobody came to see the film. This is the #1 film in the country, $30M so far and nobody comes to see it in Cloverdale. Is it a wonder that some small town theatres can't cut it?

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posted 04-01-2006 02:05 PM                    

quote: Chad Souder

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I found it unbelievable that a man that suffered severe burns over his entire body still had crazy strength and mad skillz with the blades. I don't care if it had been 10 years or 20; not gonna happen.

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quote: Ian Price

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Also at the end of the movie the credit crawl looked like it was video that wasn't scrolled correctly. It was like the edges were blinking during the crawl.

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posted 04-07-2006 02:11 PM                    

quote: Wolff King Morrow

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They even called themselves socialists for crying out loud

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posted 04-07-2006 03:06 PM                       

quote: Paul Linfesty

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Hitler's Germany was a fully industrial-capitalist nation.

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Krupp was initially hostile to the policies of Nazi Party. However, after a meeting on 20th February, 1933, he was persuaded by Adolf Hitler and Hjalmar Schacht that the Nazi government would destroy the trade unions and the political left in Germany. Schacht also pointed out that a Hitler government would considerably increase expenditure on armaments. Once converted, Krupp, as chairman of the Association of German Industrialists, was in a good position to encourage other business leaders to contribute to Hitler's election fund.

In May 1933 Hitler appointed Krupp as Chairman of the Adolf Hitler Spende, an industrialist fund administered by Martin Bormann. The money went to the Nazi government in return for special favours for the industrialists who had contributed.

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Krupp contributed from the treasury of the main Krupp company 4,738,446 marks to the Nazi Party fund. In June 1935 he contributed 100,000 marks to the Nazi Party out of his personal account.

The Nazi Party did not succeed in obtaining control of Germany until it obtained support of the industrial interests, largely through the influence of Krupp. Alfried first became a Nazi Party member and later Von Bohlen did also. The Krupp influence was powerful in promoting the Nazi plan to incite aggressive warfare in Europe.

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Hitler’s financiers
Many industrials bankrolled the Nazis, including allegedly:

· Hjalmar Schacht, Head of the Reichsbank, organised fund-raising parties for Hitler.

· Fritz von Thyssen, the German steel businessman

· Alfred Krupp, the owner of Krupp steel firm

· Emil Kirdorf, the coal businessman

· IG Faben, the German chemicals firm, gave half the funds for the 1933 elections

· The German car firm Opel (a subsidiary of General Motors)

· Schroeder Bank – on Jan. 3, 1933, Reinhard Schroeder met Hitler and asked him to form a government.

And many foreign firms including:

· Henry Ford of Ford Motors. Hitler borrowed passages from Ford's book The International Jew to use in Mein Kampf and had a picture of Ford on the wall of his office.

· Union Banking Corporation, New York (George Bush’s great-grandfather was president of the Corporation)

· WA Harriman and Co., the American shipping and railway company (George Bush’s grandfather was vice-president)

· Irenee du Pont, head of the American firm General Motors; he advocated the creation of a super-race by spinal injections to enhance children of ‘pure’ blood.

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posted 04-07-2006 07:58 PM                       

quote: Bobby Henderson

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The Benny Hill style bit was out of place though. The setting was obviously a fascist police state. I couldn't see a TV show producer airing something like that without fully knowing such an act would be suicidal.

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quote: James R. Hammonds, Jr

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I agree that the Benny Hill style bit was out of place

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posted 04-08-2006 01:57 AM                    

quote: Wolff King Morrow

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I found the movie to be quite offensive. It was clearly a "lets compare conservatives to nazis" bash-fest. Gays and lesbians are arrested and executed, people owning the koran are arrested, etc. all at the hands of the "evil" conservatives led by Hitler-esk John Hurt.

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As a matter of fact, fascist police state nations like Nazi Germany and Mussolini's Italy did indeed round up "undesireables" like gays, the mentally disabled and others of non-white race for the purposes of extermination.

I'll also add that those on both the far right and far left extremes of politics are very close to meeting each other at the wrong end join of a circle.

Level headed, reasonable, moderates are on one end of the circle. On the other 180 degree end, you'll find the nasty, sadistic, hateful, nutjob, sociopathic fascists and communists. They are both cut from the same piece of smelly, filth ridden cloth. The extremists have no room whatsoever for other people to have the freedom to make up their own minds. The extremists demand to make the choices for everyone else, even at gunpoint. Whether it is "state run socialism" or "corporate driven fascism" makes no difference to me. Both extremes are designed to remove freedom from everybody else. My salute to both of them is:


Ultimately, I think that is also a big point V For Vendetta tries to make.

Sure, V For Vendetta pushes some liberal tones -particularly tolerance for gays to have the freedom to be gay without retribution from other people. That's the main point where I felt some people in my "Red State" (in more ways than one) of Oklahoma would have a problem with the movie.

Really, I don't understand why a number of people, particularly guys, in my state have a problem with homosexuals. It reminds me of a talk I had with one of my art school classmates. Back at SVA in New York, a friend of mine complained about the orientation of some folks there. My response was, "look at the math, you don't want those guys to be straight." A lot of these guys were better looking than us, they knew how to dress, they really knew how to talk to women, they were up on fashion, their cooking skills were probably better than ours and on and on and on. One of these guys could cock-block us from an eligible lady easily. If two of those fellows decide to become a couple, don't hate. Rejoice. Both are no longer your competition!

I really wish a few fellows in this state would pick up on that simple bit of mathematics. But then the United States really tends to suck ass in math and science anyway. And for those deficits, I have no problem with V for Vendetta painting a futuristic world where the United States is a wasteland eradicated of much of its population from disease over its short sighted business, pop and political cultures. That seems plasible to me because we, as a nation, only want to be told what we want to hear. We don't want to work toward solving any problems, especially if it involves any change or sacrifice in lifestyle. In the end, we only react to disaster.