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Brad Miller
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Tom, these days when a new 70mm print is struck, the studios typically require changeover operation without splicing reels together for fear people will start chopping off frames during the build-up/breakdown process. That is why it was ran on shipping reels. They aren't even permitted to "double up" the reels onto larger ones. Its the "do not cut the film or splice" aspect that they are worried about. If the booth had 2 projectors and 2 platters, they could've most certainly ran changeover in that manner.

In my screening room I have the automation setup so I can run reels 1-2-3 on the left projector, then reels 4-5-6 on the right...OR I can assemble the prints leaders intact 1-3-5 and 2-4-6 and the automation will perform a seamless changeover bouncing back and forth each reel, then jogging down to the starting frame of the next reel. This way if desired the entire show can be run without a projectionist, with frame-accurate changeovers, and never cutting a leader. There are lots of ways to do it. [thumbsup]

As far as the projectionist cleaning the port glass and lenses twice each show, he is foolish. They will not become dirty over the course of an hour or so. All of that over-cleaning is damaging to the optics.

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Tom Petrov
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quote: Brad Miller
That is why it was ran on shipping reels
I don't think it was a shipping reel. It had a lot of space on the reel left empty.

And we will find out how they present "Playtime" as I will be seeing it in 70mm next week.

quote: Brad Miller
They will not become dirty over the course of an hour or so.
Well, we don't know. He might clean it every intermission. 2001 only played once on Monday.

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Brad Miller
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Tom, a standard 70mm shipping reel when loaded with a polyester dts print can hold 40 minutes quite easily. That is why the reels looked so empty.

Playtime has the same rules on no-splicing. Prepare to be more entertained by the projectionist for sure on this one. [Razz]

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Tom Petrov
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quote: Brad Miller
Tom, a standard 70mm shipping reel when loaded with a polyester dts print can hold 40 minutes quite easily. That is why the reels looked so empty.
That is news to me. I didn't know that. Thank you!

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Michael Coate
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quote: Tom Petrov
The Glendale played 2001 for two years during the intial engagement just so you know.
Indeed it did. In fact, Toronto was one of five cities in North America during the original roadshow release of "2001: A Space Odyssey" to run the film longer than one year and the only one to exceed two years. The total run at the Glendale was an amazing 127 weeks.

quote: Toronto Star, Nov. 3, 1970
Space Odyssey ends 127-week run
The science fiction film 2001: A Space Odyssey finished its Toronto run at the Glendale Theatre last night with its 1,310th performance. D.K. Watts, director of advertising for Twentieth Century Theatre, said the 127 weeks in one theatre surpassed the run of every other theatre in the world. More than 400,000 people went to the 708-seat Toronto theatre and paid $1.25 million. Space Odyssey left to make way for the world premiere of The Song of Norway.
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quote: Bill Gabel
Warner Bros. has evidently just found 17 minutes of Lost Footage from 2001: A Space Odyssey in their Kansas salt-mine vault. Kubrick cut the film after the NYC premiere at the Loew's Capitol Theatre from 160 minutes to around 141 minutes.
Not to nit-pick, but "2001: A Space Odyssey" had its world premiere in Washington, DC, not New York.

The DC opening was on April 2nd, 1968; it opened in New York the next night and in L.A. the night after that. Then...Kubrick cut the film.

And what can be concluded from this is that audiences in those three initial cities, for at least a few days, were able to see the longer, original cut of the film. (All subsequent bookings presumably were the shortened cut.)

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Tom Petrov
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quote: Toronto Star, Nov. 3, 1970Space Odyssey ends 127-week run
The science fiction film 2001: A Space Odyssey finished its Toronto run at the Glendale Theatre last night with its 1,310th performance. D.K. Watts, director of advertising for Twentieth Century Theatre, said the 127 weeks in one theatre surpassed the run of every other theatre in the world. More than 400,000 people went to the 708-seat Toronto theatre and paid $1.25 million. Space Odyssey left to make way for the world premiere of The Song of Norway.

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That is just impressive. I wonder if it was the original print? Was it 70mm or 35mm?

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Mark Ogden
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quote: Tom Petrov
The Uptown no longer exists.
We're talking the Uptown in Washington D.C., which is still there and the theatre the movie premiered in. I'm familiar with the Uptown in Toronto, used to be on Younge Street, and it was a damn fine theatre. Rick Long was the projectionist there for a long time.

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Space Odyssey left to make way for the world premiere of The Song of Norway.
One of the best movies ever made closed so to bring in one of the biggest piles of [bs] ever made. Jesus wept.

Hey, Tom, since you're hooked up with this place, is Lawrence of Arabia going to be on 70mm next week? Might be worth a trip up.

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Tom Petrov
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quote: Mark Ogden
Hey, Tom, since you're hooked up with this place, is Lawrence of Arabia going to be on 70mm next week? Might be worth a trip up.
Yes it is playing. Not sure if I will see it. 227min running time is long.

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Bill Gabel
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Not to nit-pick too, but I never said World Premiere. I just said after the NYC Premiere that the cuts were done. For many people already know it had its world premiere in DC.

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quote: Tom Petrov
Yes it is playing. Not sure if I will see it. 227min running time is long.
Tom, don't let the long running time fool you. It flies by and it would be another 70mm reel-to-reel presentation.

You enjoyed 2001 in 70mm? You'll LOVE Larry in 70. It's one of the greats and I would kill to see it projected that way (I have only seen a few bad 35mm reduction prints).

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I saw 2001 at the Uptown in DC the first Sunday matinee following the world premier. If I remember correctly there were long drawn out shots of Discovery traversing the screen that seemed to have been shortened in the later release. I distinctly remember someone commenting in the newspaper that this film was "the stuff for 7-year olds".

I also ran 2001 in 70mm a few years later at the MacAuther. During the opening credits the Cinerama snipe had been replaced with a 70mm one.

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quote: Brad Miller
Tom, these days when a new 70mm print is struck, the studios typically require changeover operation without splicing reels together for fear people will start chopping off frames during the build-up/breakdown process.
Not sure how this Practise applies here in the UK as most venues use Platter for 70mm Screenings and certainly the Pictureville Cinema in Bradford (Widescreen Weekend venue) have never used two Projectors for new 70mm DTS Prints.

When "2001" was re-issued in 2001, Warners sent out a Cinema Engineer and a representive to ensure the Film was presented correctly when it was screened anywhere in 70mm.

Several months ago "2001" was screened in the NFT1 at BFI in London and no doubt was sold out (again) as before and this year the Cinema was fitted out with a pair of new Kinoton DP75 (E?) and the results I hear were impressive!.

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Joe Redifer
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I thought this was a movie review? Let's talk about the movie.

It's boring and the false-color effects are extremely dated. That sequence is also far too long, but they didn't know any better back then because editing hadn't been invented yet.

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Tom Petrov
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quote: Rick Raskin
the Cinerama snipe had been replaced with a 70mm one.
During the credits of the print that I saw, it does say Cinemaa, Super Panavision 70 as well as www.warnerbros.com at the end.

No mention of DTS.

quote: Joe Redifer
It's boring and the false-color effects are extremely dated. That sequence is also far too long, but they didn't know any better back then because editing hadn't been invented yet.
Have you seen 2001 in a cinema or in 70mm?

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quote: Brad Miller
OR I can assemble the prints leaders intact 1-3-5 and 2-4-6 and the automation will perform a seamless changeover bouncing back and forth each reel, then jogging down to the starting frame of the next reel.
Holy crap, you rock.

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